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    Question Where has all the Nitrate gone?

    There used to be Nitrate piles on the surface in A16, but in A17 none. With the way that radiated Zombies show up earlier, it would be nice to be able to make enough Gunpowder to keep the ammo supplies up. I have had Feral, and Radiated Zombies in every poi since day 29. With the lack of nitrate it will become pointless to go into pois, because of the need for the ammo on horde nights. Even the Traders carry very little, plus very little gunpowder, if any at all.

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    Surface piles I think we're gone in A16.4 weren't they?

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    Surface ores are no longer a thing in A17. My bad, I was about to fall asleep when I posted, lol.
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    Surface deposits are gone but deposits usually exist below where resource boulders spawn on the surface. Go to the biome for nitrate and find a cluster of boulders and then start digging down through gravel deposits. The player journal specifies which biome is best for nitrate and also mentions the tip about digging below clusters of resource boulders.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Roland View Post
    Surface deposits are gone but deposits usually exist below where resource boulders spawn on the surface. Go to the biome for nitrate and find a cluster of boulders and then start digging down through gravel deposits. The player journal specifies which biome is best for nitrate and also mentions the tip about digging below clusters of resource boulders.
    I've tried this, but it did not work for me. I went to the snow biome, located a large group of those boulders and started digging down in the middle between them. I dug down and around, but all I found was iron (and stone of course).
    So I went to a different boulder group and tried again (larger groups, not just a couple rocks). I repeated that for an entire ingame day, but all I ever found was iron.

    With 1500+ rounds per horde night and every POI glowing green, there has to be a better way to produce gunpowder in a reasonable amount of time?
    Otherwise the gameplay degrades to "make ammo, defend horde night, make more ammo, defend the next hord night" and so on. Which is a shame when there are so many interesting POIs out there to loot and no time because far too much time has to be spent on ammo management.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Postmortem View Post
    I dug down and around, but all I found was iron (and stone of course).
    Under the layer of iron should be the deposit you are looking for. The gravel on the surface tells you what to find in the depth. The best depth for deposits is between +25 and +30.

    More information about mining in the Alpha 17 can be found here:

    https://7daystodie.com/forums/showth...-screen-shots)

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    Quote Originally Posted by RipClaw View Post
    Under the layer of iron should be the deposit you are looking for. The gravel on the surface tells you what to find in the depth. The best depth for deposits is between +25 and +30.
    There is no "layer" of iron. The entire ground is laced with iron, from the top right down to bedrock. I dug down to bedrock and back up again, and there is no trace of anything else but iron.

    I have to assume this is a bug.. a game-stopping one.

    To the developers: if you fix this (and I hope you will), PLEASE also remove this entire stamina thing from the game while you're at it. It is only annoying and adds no value whatsoever. Other games don't have that either and no one has ever missed it.

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    So far in my experience I dig out the little patches of gravel on the surface around the boulders. They give sand, stone and a bit or iron or whatever resource MAY be down there. I just keep digging those patches until they give me some nitrate or whatever else I"m looking for then dig down,

    Sometimes I get punked and it only has a few deposits of minerals but most of the time I hit a large pocket.

    Been very consistent for me.

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    From my recent checks on gravel patches, it is extremely rare to find nitrate and coal. Iron is quite dominant, with lead showing up occasionally.

    If you really do find nitrate, i am pretty sure you will find it underground, but its occurence surely is pretty low.

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    Surface deposits are still in the distributed prefab files. You can copy paste the lines for them from 16.4's biome.xml to A17's biome.xml and they will work just fine. I've done this myself already.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Khulkhuum View Post
    From my recent checks on gravel patches, it is extremely rare to find nitrate and coal. Iron is quite dominant, with lead showing up occasionally.

    If you really do find nitrate, i am pretty sure you will find it underground, but its occurence surely is pretty low.
    I suppose it really depends on the map and how much time you consider reasonible. In a real life half-hour I found 5 good nitrate mines running around digging the patches.

    Coal on the other hand was rather elusive but at the end of the half hour I scored paydirt.

    30 minutes of game time searching Snow, Burnt Wasteland Biomes.

    5 Nitrate Mines
    8 Lead mines (lead in snow? crazy right)
    2 Coal Mines

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    I have tried digging under the boulders in the wasteland, and snow biome with no luck. Finding plenty of iron, but no nitrate yet. I am playing in a random gen world. Maybe it is better in Navezgane, but in RGW I think it might need some work. The seed that someone is using could also be effecting the chances of finding certain resources. My seed has very little Wasteland, it is in small spatters in the Desert. Used to be able to find it in the burnt biome, don't know if this is still true.
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    Unfortunately, it isn't any better in Navezgane than in random.

    I've driven all over the snow biome now, digging the gravel around boulders over and over again. I found iron all over the place, as well as the occasional lead, but no trace of nitrate in the entire biome. In random I might understand this, but in the standard map this is a joke.

    Now the next horde night is coming up and I have zero ammo and zero nitrate, so I guess my only way of surviving the next night is to wait it out on a lake or to drive around in circles. Is that really how it is supposed to be in A17 now?
    Is it just me or is this game developing backwards?

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    Before you have a auger just harvest surface boulders
    As soon as yopu have a auger make mines
    Nitrat = snow biome


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    Quote Originally Posted by Roland View Post
    Surface deposits are gone but deposits usually exist below where resource boulders spawn on the surface. Go to the biome for nitrate and find a cluster of boulders and then start digging down through gravel deposits. The player journal specifies which biome is best for nitrate and also mentions the tip about digging below clusters of resource boulders.
    I went around the Snow biome yesterday for a full game day, and did nothing but dig by the boulder clusters, 90% had iron under them, the others were lead. Also went into the Wasteland, and dug around with an auger, still no nitrate. Don't know what the variable for nitrate is in the game now, but it needs a little boost. Maybe even put some back on the surface. The amount you get from boulders is not very much either.

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