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    TOP 5 BASES IN ALPHA 17 ARE HERE !! zombie abuse

    In this video iam covering the Top 5 Best BASE design in A17 but mostly they are all working with the new zombie AI

    My video : https://youtu.be/Lf8vGaLUBUQ

    its funny enough that you cant stand the super intellegent zombies soo you play with them
    watch the video till the end to figure out what base is waiting the NO.5

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    Your top 5 bases may not be my top 5 bases, nor anyone elses... Just saying.

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    Saw a nifty thread about forum rules...was so interesting to read. I particularly liked this part:

    No Advertising
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    Didn't watch much of the video, I might return to it later. I just wanted to say there should be a distinction between people who build bases in game and those who use creative mode.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ricp View Post
    Didn't watch much of the video, I might return to it later. I just wanted to say there should be a distinction between people who build bases in game and those who use creative mode.
    That is indeed a huge difference.

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    Obviously an ad for your channel, but whatever...

    Additionally, there's been info around that the current "super intelligent zombies" is the first step for implementing a very intelligent AI for testing and later usage on bandits. So in the future we will have a dumbed down AI for Zs and intelligent to super intelligent for bandits.

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    Whatever it was (regarding the game mode), this is a demonstration of disgusting AI which is not suitable for any purpose.
    The task of this video is to show the developers how things are, because they are contradictory assured that the new intelligence is better than the old.
    Last edited by n2n1; 03-11-2019 at 03:39 PM.

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    Greetings

    Top bases? More like demonstrations of zombie mechanics and how to exploit them (not meant in a nasty way like game abuse). Personally I wouldn't call them bases for playing. Oh and dude go back and fix your typos before you add your overlays, maybe even use a spellchecker?

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    Quote Originally Posted by n2n1 View Post
    The task of this video is to show the developers how things are, because they are contradictory assured that the new intelligence is better than the old.

    While it's hardly perfect, it's clear the AI is better. Long gone are cases of zombies just running around in circles or permajumping next to a fence because it can't get over, yet won't go around or damage it.

    As the AI has become more complex there is now more room for scope in regard to how they "misbehave". This is demonstrated by the lengths people go to to try and confuse/beat/exploit* it. Previously in A16 it was as dumb as a bag of hammers and needed little encouragement to make fools of themselves.

    Still work to do of course, these things are not easy to get right. That's the benefit from people trying to outsmart the AI as it gives great test cases to improve on.

    There's still the "existential" debate about whether the AI should be able to path to you despite not being able to see such a path (ie: as in should they have innate understanding of a building's structure?) or whether each pathing decision should be contextual on a step by step basis. While I think we'd all like to see the latter, I just feel that due to the ease of generic pathing within Unity and the amount of extra processing it would take to undertake a per step approach that we'll just have to live with them being a bit psychic in regards to how to get to you. After all, if it was the option of a ton more zombies or the same number but more "realistic" than now, I reckon most would go with upping the zombie count limit - with the obvious caveats of performance and optimisation, of course.

    (Minor edit: I should say, I have no intimate knowledge of the code. I base my assumptions, and they are that, on what I see on screen combined with some experience in software dev.)



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    Quote Originally Posted by ricp View Post
    While it's hardly perfect, it's clear the AI is better. Long gone are cases of zombies just running around in circles or permajumping next to a fence because it can't get over, yet won't go around or damage it.
    But zombies do now other funny things.

    For example https://youtu.be/8SUmqZZfaOQ?t=996

    Starting from 16:36. My recommendation is to turn off the sound in the video. Set the speed to 2x and play the Benny Hill theme music. That is simply too fitting.

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    thanks all for your comment , and yes its my first video on youtube and yes its not meant to be built by survival mode iam on to watch what you can give me anyway yes its using zombie super intelligent AI Against them ,

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    Quote Originally Posted by RipClaw View Post
    But zombies do now other funny things.

    For example https://youtu.be/8SUmqZZfaOQ?t=996

    Starting from 16:36. My recommendation is to turn off the sound in the video. Set the speed to 2x and play the Benny Hill theme music. That is simply too fitting.
    Supposedly with the fixes in A17.2 they wouldn't all do that. Some would abandon whatever long pathway they are detecting and start destroying nearby blocks. That vid is from 17.1 so it would be interesting to see the same base in a new game started with 17.2

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    Quote Originally Posted by Roland View Post
    Supposedly with the fixes in A17.2 they wouldn't all do that. Some would abandon whatever long pathway they are detecting and start destroying nearby blocks. That vid is from 17.1 so it would be interesting to see the same base in a new game started with 17.2
    Yes. In theory, it should work out much better now. The funny thing is that he didn't even try to trick the AI. He wanted a direct confrontation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RipClaw View Post
    But zombies do now other funny things.
    Which simply underlines my point regarding the AI being more complex and thus more opportunity for (what we see as) stupidity.

    Quote Originally Posted by ricp
    As the AI has become more complex there is now more room for scope in regard to how they "misbehave". This is demonstrated by the lengths people go to to try and confuse/beat/exploit* it.
    Not that I'm having a go at you, but I'd love to know the number of people who are complaining about the AI who have also tried writing a complex AI routine themselves. I'll be betting very very few.

    Not that I would wish everyone to be fawning about it. If there are errors/inconsistencies then they should be highlighted as that will only go to improve future releases, but some of the comments on here have been bordering on the vitriolic.

    Oh, and Yakety Sax is the name you are looking for.. I'm not sure of the universality of the term "Benny Hill theme song". I'll leave my favourite YS video (don't worry no misogyny) : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8pQAWOCofXo
    Last edited by ricp; 03-12-2019 at 12:49 PM. Reason: grammar and spelling... what else?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ricp View Post
    Which simply underlines my point regarding the AI being more complex and thus more opportunity for (what we see as) stupidity.
    That doesn't make it any less funny.

    Surprisingly, no one has ever really thought about the AI while the zombies were still very stupid. Only that the zombies were running in circles was criticized, but no one from my circle of acquaintances ever said that he thought the AI was too stupid.

    Not that I'm having a go at you, but I'd love to know the number of people who are complaining about the AI who have also tried writing a complex AI routine themselves. I'll be betting very very few.

    Not that I would wish everyone to be fawning about it. If there are errors/inconsistencies then they should be highlighted as that will only go to improve future releases, but some of the comments on here have been bordering on the vitriolic.
    I am a developer myself and therefore know that people often underestimate the complexity of software development.

    I always say that zombies behave exactly the way the algorithm tells them to. That the behavior sometimes seems stupid is simply because the people only look at it from a human point of view.

    Oh, and Yakety Sax is the name you are looking for.. I'm not sure of the universality of the term "Benny Hill theme song"
    If I say the real title the most people only stare at me but ff I say "Benny Hill theme song" they know exactly which song I mean.

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