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Thread: Hopes and Worries about the Telltale Closure and Future of Console Edition

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    I would honestly gladly and happily pay for an update if it came in the form of a DLC. That being said, I was also wondering about some way to crowdfund an update, like a kickstarter for a DLC/new version release. Anyone that donates more than a certain amount gets the update free, anyone else pays $10-$20, like a normal DLC, something along those lines. I was wondering myself about the Iron Galaxy connection. That would be the most logical method of trying to get an update out fast. IG knows more about the console version than TFP, and, like was said, probably has the nearly completed update still saved somewhere.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SylenThunder View Post
    It was never hidden that the console version was made from the Alpha 14.7 version of the game, or that it may not get any future updates or content.
    Most of the money from the console version went to TellTale. It did not go to the PC, or have any significant benefit to the PC version.

    I seriously don't know where you guys come up with this kind of ♥♥♥♥.
    Maybe if you did some research before making a purchase like any smart consumer would, you wouldn't be making blatantly ignorant statements.
    News and Announcements PC section, obviously shortly after it was released for console, and there was no console section in the forums back in June 2016.
    https://7daystodie.com/forums/showth...-Stable-Is-Out!

    talking about alpha 15 a few weeks out and what was done for this update of 14.7. So, seems to be someone could interpret that as future updates in a few weeks might mean even more updates. Before their initial purchase.

    As for the amount of money made by TTG vs TFP, pretty sure that information is not available to the public. They didn’t do it for free so to say PC didn’t benefit at all, is not true. How much benefit, is impossible for a consumer to know unless disclosed by TFP. Which now that they own the rights, they get the $29.99 less console fee (I assume) per unit sold. One could interpret this as to why TFP would rather release a “new version of 7 days to die” vs eating the cost of finishing up a free update for a game that someone already made money on. To be fair, it was TFP IP to begin with, but I didn’t negotiate the deal between the three parties who were involved in the console version. How many console versions were sold by TTG?

    If anything you should be blaming this on TTG not the consumer. Since TTG didn’t alert TFP or the consumer they would go out of business and not finish something they promised. Seems like we both got burned. So don’t accuse people of being ignorant when someone does do research and still gets burned. For the record I don’t feel burned, but I could see where someone else did feel that way.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Acidspittingemu View Post
    I would honestly gladly and happily pay for an update if it came in the form of a DLC. That being said, I was also wondering about some way to crowdfund an update, like a kickstarter for a DLC/new version release. Anyone that donates more than a certain amount gets the update free, anyone else pays $10-$20, like a normal DLC, something along those lines. I was wondering myself about the Iron Galaxy connection. That would be the most logical method of trying to get an update out fast. IG knows more about the console version than TFP, and, like was said, probably has the nearly completed update still saved somewhere.
    First off I work in the gaming industry for BGS (for disclaimer the opinions here are my own as a game software engineer and open world survival addict) As far as the money goes, studio's need to make money to put people to work. Its as simple as that. People are ready to pay for super small expansions for games like Destiny and yet would not want to help a small studio to get the money to put an update on a game people like to play ? This doesnt make sense. The game is totally playable as is. All future work should be done as a DLC. I would like TFP to get their due for this game. Now on the timeline we know how these things goes, the next gen dev kits will be finding their way more broadly next year for christmas when they release PS5 and XBOX. If anybody from TFP reads this, know that IG is a good company, but there is Behavior Interactive that is located in Montreal that does this kind of work and you would be benefitting from US to CAD exchange rate, so it would cost you a lot less to port your update if you have the code in hand if you ever want to do a final DLC on PS4. It is true it is costy to pass all the QA requirements to do updates, but there are programs for Indy studios and it cost a lot less to put updates out there as long as you have all the TRC done mostly. If you do not break any TRC's between updates then your turn around will cost almost nothing like on PC. For that the console makers have made great stride to make it easier. You can looke the number of indy games out there that have made their way to console. With that being said, I like the Idea of a Kickstarter to get an update on PS4. The current 7DTD dev time to gold doesnt seem to indicate they will be gold for the next 2 years. I agree that a come back with a bang could help build back the reputation of the game.

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    Quote Originally Posted by crazywildfire View Post
    Like I said they probably be better off waiting till next gen. It would put them closer to beta/gold and as they said if they do anything it will most likely be after that. The next gen console will be able to handle the game as it will have the minimum specs or should anyway based on the way they have talked about it plus by then the game will be running even smoother. I know I know it sucks for current gen but sometimes times it is what it is. At least now we don't have anymore speculations.
    Waiting till next gen will officially burn the xbox base and I'm willing to bet 80 to 90% will not even consider buying it for next gen. The game is not really playable without a constant cycle of losing progress.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DaPopeLP View Post
    Waiting till next gen will officially burn the xbox base and I'm willing to bet 80 to 90% will not even consider buying it for next gen. The game is not really playable without a constant cycle of losing progress.
    Considering this gen can't handle the full game thst the PC is and next gen would be able to I bet a lot of people would buy it next gen. Really the odds of another update happening on this gen are slim and the ones that are burn are already as it is now. I get it that it sucks but them being such a small company I really don't see them doing another update. As they said the cost it already took with the mess they had to deal with and the added cost of what it would take to do an update that still wouldn't be up to date and people will still complain that it isn't. But say so be it you know with any game no update is ever a clean update so then they have to do a follow up update to fix the unknown bugs that pop up for that update and so on. It becomes very costly and as they said they have bills and families to feed just like everyone else. So really the best thing would be to just wait until they are done with the PC version then get that version ported over. Of course that is if they even do that but it would be the best option for them.

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    Well my 2 cents into this....
    I don't really care for a big update tbh.
    I just wanted the game to become playable again.
    I am an xbox gamer and I kept getting screwed over by the "MD5" progress killing bug which stopped me from playing this game.
    Adding a manual saving option would make me come back.
    It's a fun game as it is already but the bug destroyed my pleasure in the game.
    Wouldn't cost millions to just add that in.

    And yeah, I read the workaround but it is, from personal experience, not 100% preventing my save from getting corrupted.

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    Quote Originally Posted by crazywildfire View Post
    Considering this gen can't handle the full game thst the PC is and next gen would be able to I bet a lot of people would buy it next gen. Really the odds of another update happening on this gen are slim and the ones that are burn are already as it is now. I get it that it sucks but them being such a small company I really don't see them doing another update. As they said the cost it already took with the mess they had to deal with and the added cost of what it would take to do an update that still wouldn't be up to date and people will still complain that it isn't. But say so be it you know with any game no update is ever a clean update so then they have to do a follow up update to fix the unknown bugs that pop up for that update and so on. It becomes very costly and as they said they have bills and families to feed just like everyone else. So really the best thing would be to just wait until they are done with the PC version then get that version ported over. Of course that is if they even do that but it would be the best option for them.
    Nobody is expecting a full port up to A18 we simply want what we were promised. The MD5 error has been going for years its unacceptable the game is still being sold when it it virtually unplayable for xbox players. Where are the simple additions we were told we would get IE paint and traps? Even new POI would be something i mean i fail to see how "its too expensive" is the cop out TFP are taking. Millions of people bought your game and we were told updates were coming you cant now say we changed our mind but you should buy a different version of the game. This is basically bait and switch - we were lured in with fake promises and now we bought into the game we're told we need to buy a new version to get those promises

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    Quote Originally Posted by skillz_over_9000 View Post
    Nobody is expecting a full port up to A18 we simply want what we were promised. The MD5 error has been going for years its unacceptable the game is still being sold when it it virtually unplayable for xbox players. Where are the simple additions we were told we would get IE paint and traps? Even new POI would be something i mean i fail to see how "its too expensive" is the cop out TFP are taking. Millions of people bought your game and we were told updates were coming you cant now say we changed our mind but you should buy a different version of the game. This is basically bait and switch - we were lured in with fake promises and now we bought into the game we're told we need to buy a new version to get those promises

    I wouldn't say nobody because a lot of people do. Not saying you are one of them or everyone just saying a lot of people do ask and not happy that it isn't like the PC version.

    I would love nothing more then a update as far as the current gen could go and handle. But TT promised and they went bankrupt before at the very least the last update they was working on could be released. Even if it was released nothing was guaranteed that the MD5 issue for xbox would be fixed. Either way they went bankrupt and it is what it is really. If TFP don't have the money to put into it like that then how are they going to? Guess you want them to go broke and that it doesn't matter that they have bills, employees to pay and families to take care of. So they should just say oh all that doesn't matter we got to do this.

    It sucks it does and wish it wasn't the way it is but it is the way it is and not much can be done with limited money. Sure a few people here have suggested a kickstarter or whatever to help pay for it but how many people besides the handful here would pay for another update? A lot of people will not so how can they even begin to do that and if it isn't enough money then people that put money into it will make claims they did it to support pc version and so on. I just really not sure what some want them to do if they don't have the money to do what another company promised? This wouldn't be the first time something like this has happened especially with a very small company and it most likely will not be the last. If you don't wanna buy it again if it comes out again on next gen consoles then don't is all I can really say.

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    Quote Originally Posted by crazywildfire View Post
    I wouldn't say nobody because a lot of people do. Not saying you are one of them or everyone just saying a lot of people do ask and not happy that it isn't like the PC version.

    I would love nothing more then a update as far as the current gen could go and handle. But TT promised and they went bankrupt before at the very least the last update they was working on could be released. Even if it was released nothing was guaranteed that the MD5 issue for xbox would be fixed. Either way they went bankrupt and it is what it is really. If TFP don't have the money to put into it like that then how are they going to? Guess you want them to go broke and that it doesn't matter that they have bills, employees to pay and families to take care of. So they should just say oh all that doesn't matter we got to do this.

    It sucks it does and wish it wasn't the way it is but it is the way it is and not much can be done with limited money. Sure a few people here have suggested a kickstarter or whatever to help pay for it but how many people besides the handful here would pay for another update? A lot of people will not so how can they even begin to do that and if it isn't enough money then people that put money into it will make claims they did it to support pc version and so on. I just really not sure what some want them to do if they don't have the money to do what another company promised? This wouldn't be the first time something like this has happened especially with a very small company and it most likely will not be the last. If you don't wanna buy it again if it comes out again on next gen consoles then don't is all I can really say.
    I would say the immediate and easiest answer is stop developing the pc version and fix the console. The PC is 3 versions above console right now with loads more than we will ever receive. I image the pc base will survive just fine if say for the next year no further updates were released. The pc version is in essence complete and fully functional with none of the limits console players have. If TFP want to develop the pc version further they could release dlc same as suggested to console players

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    Quote Originally Posted by skillz_over_9000 View Post
    I would say the immediate and easiest answer is stop developing the pc version and fix the console. The PC is 3 versions above console right now with loads more than we will ever receive. I image the pc base will survive just fine if say for the next year no further updates were released. The pc version is in essence complete and fully functional with none of the limits console players have. If TFP want to develop the pc version further they could release dlc same as suggested to console players
    Unfortunately, never going to happen.
    I assume TTG made the boatload of money on the deal with TFP to release the console version. Because remember TTG approached TFP about the idea. I don’t think TFP thought that console would be successful, and TTG made bank on that lesson. I think from a business point of view, TFP lost out on the revenue for for their IP on console. At this point the cost to update vs the cost to make a new release is about the same. That cost being about the same if you add in the additional revenue generated by the update vs re-release. That is simple business.

    Side note, Tell Tale Games was a larger company and it actually was Tell Tale Publishing that worked with TFP and Iron Galaxy.

    At this point if you ran TFP message about the current version of console, through the google translator it would have said, “Sorry guys update isn’t going to happen. When the next gen console comes out you can buy our version of 7 days to die”.

    At that point anyone who felt burned can choose to walk away. Everyone else will dig out their wallet/purse and pony up. I have already stated I will pony up. I just wish they would have said no on the update versus after PC goes gold. I am pretty sure they have zero idea of when PC will be finished, but I am sure that the new console version will be ready for sale when PS 5 hits the market in the “holiday 2020”.

    So now we wait for the gold status for our next update I guess.

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