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Thread: Hopes and Worries about the Telltale Closure and Future of Console Edition

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    Quote Originally Posted by crazywildfire View Post
    What??? They sold the console rights to TT. If you really truly think they couldn't do the PC version without console you are crazy. They have sold more copies on PC to do what they have been doing without console. You really truly have no clue what you are talking about based on several of your comments so say what you want I'm done talking about it with you. Have a good one.
    No i really think it is you who are clueless if you are trying to argue TFP didnt gain large sums of money off the port. Money which was used to further the pc development. Pc would not be where it was based only on the kick stater and sales they had. Until 2016 when the port happened the games was a relative unknown without any real backing. To that end the massive updates within a year of that deal are the changes which largely shaped the game and brought in the fan base. The addition of traps, electricity, alpha 15, 16 etc all happened within a year of the port....coincidence TFP suddenly pushed massive updates frequently after that or the result of cash influx you decide

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    Quote Originally Posted by skillz_over_9000 View Post
    No i really think it is you who are clueless if you are trying to argue TFP didnt gain large sums of money off the port. Money which was used to further the pc development. Pc would not be where it was based only on the kick stater and sales they had. Until 2016 when the port happened the games was a relative unknown without any real backing. To that end the massive updates within a year of that deal are the changes which largely shaped the game and brought in the fan base. The addition of traps, electricity, alpha 15, 16 etc all happened within a year of the port....coincidence TFP suddenly pushed massive updates frequently after that or the result of cash influx you decide
    This post again? Maybe you missed my other response.

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    No and we dont really need them? It's dumb to assume TFP didnt see any profit from the console sales and no matter what percentage that may have been the fact is they used to it further pc development. If its 1% or 70% the money was spent to develop a product other than the product the sales were generated from. For the pure sake of argument lets say they sold 1 million copies on ps4 and a million on xbox at a conservative $10 a copy (way below the $29.99 tag it came out with). Even at 1% that means they had a profit of $200,000. Is anyone seriously going to argue that with even a 1% sale revenue TFP couldnt have worked towards finishing the console versions?
    Actually you do if you want to support your argument.

    Let's take a gander.
    30% of sales to MS and Sony. This is a known number.
    5-10% of sales to TFP for licensing. (Unknown, but pretty common amount)
    50% of sales to Iron Galaxy to fund development. (Again, unknown. We know it's not cheap though.)
    Remaining 10-15% goes to Telltale profits.

    Now, you can also argue that that small % that went to TFP, was used to pay for the support they gave IG in developing the console version. It also could have covered legal fees, and other things regarding the console version itself.

    You can't just assume that it directly supported PC development. You can guarantee that it's not enough to cover finishing the console versions.

    Which lets be fair, is something TFP have said that they want to do. There are some issue with doing that though, and they've given you a heads up about it.

    You guys seem to forget that they are still working on solving this issue. You're all treating it as if TFP said it's the end, for which they most certainly did not.
    You keep showing that you quite obviously have no clue about how things really went down, how things work, or have much of a grasp on reality.
    You're just making things up to suit your agenda.
    Knock it off.

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    Hello.
    Here is my personal point of view, hopes & worries included !

    What I read in TFP news :
    The Fun Pimps have re-acquired full console publishing rights
    Great news !!!

    …and we do not have the resources or expertise to do ports/updates to the console
    Bad news, but not unexpected. TFP is neither Electronic Arts nor Activision in size and resources.

    ... we have to evaluate the expense and risk of porting any future versions of the game to consoles relative to the income it could generate.
    It seems very logical and expected.
    They have a way to "evaluate the risk" : open a poll topic on this forum asking who will be interested in buying a future version of 7DTD. Although incomplete, full of lost promises, they would have a gross idea of their future customers.

    Full console ports cost into the millions of dollars
    Err, with Electronic Arts as a porting company perhaps, but there are plenty cheaper console companies doing ports.
    Anyway, using 3rd party partners is always very expensive, and there are right to be cautious.

    With Sony and Microsoft, no matter how small, any update has to go through a rigorous testing/submission process.
    They forgot Nintendo with the Switch, but a zombie-survival game is more fit for Sony/Microsoft consoles and customers.
    Anyway, there are 100% right, those two are pityless on QA testing.

    In summary as I personally see this news :
    For TFP --> It's good news, at least TFP bring their baby back home. Now they have to decide what's next.
    For 7DTD players --> Just sit (err, play current 7DTD) and wait, something will eventually emerge now FTP owns the rights back.

    Thank you for having read my post.

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    Quote Originally Posted by crazywildfire View Post
    Everyone on console was waiting on an update that TT promised.
    This is something else that confuses me. If Telltale, as the original console publishers, promised an update, isn't there a legal (or at least moral) obligation to uphold that promise? Now that Telltale has been necroed back into existence, shouldn't they be held responsible for at least one further console update? Regardless of whether or not it's technically the same company, by taking on the name "Telltale", they've taken on the previous company's baggage, imo. Telltale made promises, not just to TFP, but to the players of this game, and I think they should have to follow through with those promises. Even though TFP have the rights back now, the "new" Telltale should still be held accountable for their "old" screwups. In the past, I have bought quite a few Telltale games (7D2D, TWD, Batman, etc.), but I can guarantee that I'll never buy another one. If the "new" Telltale wants to wipe out the bad name that the company currently has, following through with old promises for the sake of the customer, regardless of cost, would be a damn fine way to show it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Acidspittingemu View Post
    If Telltale, as the original console publishers, promised an update, isn't there a legal (or at least moral) obligation to uphold that promise?
    Only a written contract is a legal promise and can be enforced by a judge. Everything else is pure chit-chat.

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    Quote Originally Posted by irjvik View Post
    Only a written contract is a legal promise and can be enforced by a judge. Everything else is pure chit-chat.
    That and also the fact they did bankrupt so would matter if they are back or not.... I made a promise to make my credit card payments on time but I failed and I went bankrupt. Now I'm back on my feet that doesn't mean I take back over those old debt that is what going bankrupt means. No different with a company that does bankruptcy. So no TT does not have to do anything at all no matter if at the time was written or chit chat promise.

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    I guess I just don't like the fact that Telltale gets to screw over a small independent gaming company and well over 100,000 customers and get away with it scot-free, with their "bankrupted" company still intact, even. I feel like there should be some compensation for their inadequacies somehow.

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    [QUOTE=Acidspittingemu;1049108... there should be some compensation for their inadequacies somehow.[/QUOTE]

    should would be a moral conduct, alas in business the only moral is : earn money at any cost.
    Don't dream ...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Acidspittingemu View Post
    I guess I just don't like the fact that Telltale gets to screw over a small independent gaming company and well over 100,000 customers and get away with it scot-free, with their "bankrupted" company still intact, even. I feel like there should be some compensation for their inadequacies somehow.
    I don't think it's the same company now. Someone aquired the name and assets I think.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HungryZombie View Post
    I don't think it's the same company now. Someone aquired the name and assets I think.
    Yeah basically. This isn't the same company at all. It's a totally different entity that is just using the same name and has rights to most of the titles from the previous company. The new Telltale is extremely removed from the old Telltale.

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