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    I just hope TFP gets the rights back to the game. I picked up 7D2D after watching Game Society Pimps play it and got it for my console and PC. Yes the console has some glitches(Having issues getting torches onto things) but over all I still have lots of fun playing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SylenThunder View Post
    Sorry man, but the PCMR comment is just plain stupid. You lose all credibility the second you toss that out there.
    Of course PC's are better than consoles. This will pretty much always be the case because they are designed specifically to do a hell of a lot more.
    You might as well toss a few other really stupid words like fanboi into your post.


    No one is rubbing salt. We're just being realistic. I understand the console crowd has some issues with that sometimes, but that's just too bad. Yall need to get over it.
    I happen to know the differences of PC hardware and the current consoles, as I believe most of the people do, the thing you and other moderators here don't seem to understand is that telling people to get the PC version as an answer for problems with the console version, is just adding insult to the injury. We console customers have paid for our game just like you PC customers! I wonder how you would feel is the situation would be the other way around? If something, you PC users should be grateful to us for helping to finance the development of your beloved PC version, not treating us like dirt or an annoyance.

    The fact that you decided to only answer a small part of my post and disregard most of it, just confirms what I was saying.

    The fanboy crazywildfire's comment shows just how sad the atmosphere in here is towards us console customers .

    As Dernagon put it very politely, TFP has not handled this well at all. I find it strange and wrong how gaming companies think they can treat their customers. If I would treat my customers even half as bad as they do, I would be out of job in a heart beat. Same time game companies treat their customers like trash and some sad individuals even spend their lives, going over and beyond, defending these immoral people for free. The mind boggles...

    Edit: The total disregard for console customers is very clear. TFP has not even bothered to fix the broken console link on their main 7 days to die website. Yes I can now clearly see that the only issue here is the too high expectations of paying console customers. What a disgrace...
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    crazywildfire, seems your guess was right.

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    Quote Originally Posted by meganoth View Post
    crazywildfire, seems your guess was right.
    😂😂😂😂

    Well ya know. It must be the fanboy in me that spotted it 😉. With that said only a few people here that has had a account before go on about the PCMR stuff so got an idea on who it is.😂😂😂😂

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    Quote Originally Posted by greedypimps View Post
    The fact that you decided to only answer a small part of my post and disregard most of it, just confirms what I was saying.
    Sometimes there’s only a very small part of an entire post that warrants a response because you can tell that the person has already made up their mind and nothing will change it.

    Case in point.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Roland View Post
    Sometimes there’s only a very small part of an entire post that warrants a response because you can tell that the person has already made up their mind and nothing will change it.

    Case in point.
    No Roland I don't see your point. Why don't you spell your case out for us pleb console gamer "fanboi"s who have to just "get over it" as Sylen so eloquently put it.

    It doesn't matter if the lemon car I bought is a Maserati (aka PC) or a Ford Fiesta (aka consoles). Customer rights laws exist for a reason. Since you seem to implicate occasionally that you have inside knowledge on the inner circle of TFP, why don't you go ahead and give them a courtesy heads up that their behavior could be actionable. Should someone with the means and desire pursue that course.

    Pretty sure the smug responses would evaporate quite rapidly and everyone liable would wish pretty quickly that they had handled this situation differently. TFP is a small developer and it would not take much effort to drastically alter their future.

    As I said previously, I love 7D2D and TFP, but that doesn't mean our good will is infinite. Toss us a bone every now and then and more importantly show a little respect.

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    So they should always show respect no matter what or how the customer is being?

    Sorry but I have very close friends that started a business in 1992 and still going strong grossing out over $850,000 a week. They will tell you very first thing customers are not always right and to stop being a whiny little *****. The establishment and atmosphere is not for everyone and they don't care. They will be rude in a heart beat if you are rude or demanding first.

    The mods are not perfect by any means I disagree with a lot of things they say and sometimes do. But I hardly ever see one just come out being rude unless someone was being disrespectful. So I say show respect and you get it.

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    I have mostly been lurking checking in from time to time, and have not really been bothered with actually creating an account to respond to some of the "lovely things being said"

    although I totally agree with both parties kinda going on about the same thing..

    The only thing the console players want is "good" customer service for the product that they have purchased and basically want "seller" (insert who ever) to take responsibility for what ever they have sold to buyer... sadly "seller" is no more and thus not able to uphold this responsibility so customer is looking for alternatives basically who ever bought the rights kinda have to uphold this now.

    Quote Originally Posted by crazywildfire View Post

    Sorry but I have very close friends that started a business in 1992 and still going strong grossing out over $850,000 a week. They will tell you very first thing customers are not always right and to stop being a whiny little *****. The establishment and atmosphere is not for everyone and they don't care. They will be rude in a heart beat if you are rude or demanding first.
    The above stated fact by wildfire is actually true atleast it is in the part of the world I come from.. sometimes customers are not right and its for the best to keep them in the dark for abit or have to adress them that what they want is not for their best intrest..

    Conclusion to this entire ♥♥♥♥ty post with things that have mostly already been said..

    things could have been handled in the aftermath alittle bit better to reduce the crisis some people feel that is going on right now.. If this would have been done it would reduce crisis management in the long run which could "potentially" harm the PC part of the game..

    The best thing they can do at this point to kinda stop this ongoing discussion in my opinion is, reveal if they got the rights.
    and if not who did, so console players can uphold that party to customer service and so forth.

    keep calm things will work out eventually.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Silezia View Post
    I have mostly been lurking checking in from time to time, and have not really been bothered with actually creating an account to respond to some of the "lovely things being said"

    although I totally agree with both parties kinda going on about the same thing..

    The only thing the console players want is "good" customer service for the product that they have purchased and basically want "seller" (insert who ever) to take responsibility for what ever they have sold to buyer... sadly "seller" is no more and thus not able to uphold this responsibility so customer is looking for alternatives basically who ever bought the rights kinda have to uphold this now.



    The above stated fact by wildfire is actually true atleast it is in the part of the world I come from.. sometimes customers are not right and its for the best to keep them in the dark for abit or have to adress them that what they want is not for their best intrest..

    Conclusion to this entire ♥♥♥♥ty post with things that have mostly already been said..

    things could have been handled in the aftermath alittle bit better to reduce the crisis some people feel that is going on right now.. If this would have been done it would reduce crisis management in the long run which could "potentially" harm the PC part of the game..

    The best thing they can do at this point to kinda stop this ongoing discussion in my opinion is, reveal if they got the rights.
    and if not who did, so console players can uphold that party to customer service and so forth.

    keep calm things will work out eventually.

    Agree. Not saying at all that some of this couldn't of or be handled in a better way. At the same time though we only see one side of things we have no clue the other side. We don't know what kind of contract that written up and such. Some stuff is public knowledge but the deeper stuff that we don't know about might not be and that is what could be keeping them from talking about it.

    Could they come and please one side of the people and say sorry we are still working on things sure. But at the same time once they do many will start asking questions. It gets done all the time and has been done here on the forums on both sides console and PC. So maybe they find it better to just do what they are doing. Maybe it is the wrong way to go about it maybe it is the right way. It is matter of opinion I guess on how one feels about it.

    Now my post just in general not saying you Silezia was towards those that come across rude and disrespectful first. Just incase any confusion.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dernagon View Post
    No Roland I don't see your point. Why don't you spell your case out for us pleb console gamer "fanboi"s who have to just "get over it" as Sylen so eloquently put it.

    It doesn't matter if the lemon car I bought is a Maserati (aka PC) or a Ford Fiesta (aka consoles). Customer rights laws exist for a reason. Since you seem to implicate occasionally that you have inside knowledge on the inner circle of TFP, why don't you go ahead and give them a courtesy heads up that their behavior could be actionable. Should someone with the means and desire pursue that course.

    Pretty sure the smug responses would evaporate quite rapidly and everyone liable would wish pretty quickly that they had handled this situation differently. TFP is a small developer and it would not take much effort to drastically alter their future.

    As I said previously, I love 7D2D and TFP, but that doesn't mean our good will is infinite. Toss us a bone every now and then and more importantly show a little respect.
    Quote Originally Posted by crazywildfire View Post
    So they should always show respect no matter what or how the customer is being?

    Sorry but I have very close friends that started a business in 1992 and still going strong grossing out over $850,000 a week. They will tell you very first thing customers are not always right and to stop being a whiny little *****. The establishment and atmosphere is not for everyone and they don't care. They will be rude in a heart beat if you are rude or demanding first.

    The mods are not perfect by any means I disagree with a lot of things they say and sometimes do. But I hardly ever see one just come out being rude unless someone was being disrespectful. So I say show respect and you get it.
    The mods actually do have my utmost respect. Dealing with difficult people every day would wear on anyone. Deserves even more respect when it is a voluntary unpaid burden.

    I agree that the customer is not always right. Bad customers might even deserve getting treated poorly. It depends on the circumstances. In this particular case I believe that the frustrated customers are actually in the right.

    Had TTG closed and it was left at that, there would be no issues with TFP. They chose to come out and make a statement that they were seeking to get the console publishing rights back. Well the auction is over. Did you get them TFP or not? Is a very fair question.

    Secondly they stated that they had every intention of continuing support for the console version. So now we the customers actually have a very legitimate interest in how things shake out.

    They can't get our hopes up and then ghost us. This is actually made worse because most of us had already given up on seeing any update at all. Even before TTG shutdown it was clear that chances were all but none. Then TFP comes riding in on their white horse and says "we got you. If it is at all in our power we can, nay, we will save the day!" Paraphrasing of course, but you get the point.

    Since that glorious day and the second coming of TFP... Radio silence. I think it is quite fair to lob some criticism where it is due. And unless a poster on here is truly getting out of hand I would argue that they are entitled to even a little level of outrage.

    My biggest fear with the moderators is that I can see their frustration. Their comments and replies are showing less restraint. I emphasize with them. Sure no one has been getting banned or anything yet, but its not a big leap to take that next step.

    For my part I do apologize to Roland for my comment last night. Upon reflection and rereading I don't feel he deserved that. Still think he could've left out that last sentence... but regardless I was inappropriate.

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    Quote Originally Posted by crazywildfire View Post
    Could they come and please one side of the people and say sorry we are still working on things sure. But at the same time once they do many will start asking questions.
    The above is the exact reason to "sometimes" keep people in the dark. You dont want to tell half a story, as most people want to have the remaider of the story or know how it's going to end.. an assumption as I don't know if this is true but it could be that TFP can't or are uncertain if they are able to tell the rest of the story for console "At this moment in time"

    The information will come when the time is right sadly for every one, that time is not right now.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dernagon View Post
    They can't get our hopes up and then ghost us. This is actually made worse because most of us had already given up on seeing any update at all. Even before TTG shutdown it was clear that chances were all but none. Then TFP comes riding in on their white horse and says "we got you. If it is at all in our power we can, nay, we will save the day!" Paraphrasing of course, but you get the point.
    So you are arguing that TFP should have kept their mouth shut from the beginning and not even say that they want to ride in as the white knight?

    See, they can only lose whatever they do. Say nothing and people will demand their rights as customers (even though they are technically only customers to Telltale, not TFP, but every post here makes a point of being a customer at least twice). Say something and again people will demand not to get their hopes up.

    Really, are you so delicate that you can't endure a little hope? Is patience a lost art of the 20th century?

    My advice: Don't give TFP credit for that announcement a few months ago, whether you believe them or mistrust them. Words are cheap. If they really get a deal together THEN it is time to applaud. Whether they got the rights or not is really not important for you, it is just another bit of information some will get hyped over and then later tilt if nothing comes of it.

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    Yes that was basically my point. Would've been better to not say anything at all and certainly not to make promises for continued console support. Unless they really intend to. Which they very well may have the best intentions to fulfill that promise.

    The lack of information since then, after getting people hyped that the platform just might not die, is why you see people angry. As I showed in my previous examples there is a lot of information that could've been shared. Shared without any commitments one way or the other toward the future.

    People would likely still ask questions that can't be answered easily. Perhaps legal ones. Perhaps TFP is still deciding whether console support is economically feasible to continue investing in. Perhaps they are in negotiations. All things I pointed out in the previous thread in defense of TFP. All things that they don't necessarily need to disclose.

    I'm a realist and can respect those type of decisions. It won't break my heart if the game remains as is. That's life. Speaking just for myself. Others might take the news far worse.

    As I said I'm fairly neutral on the issue. My comments collectively have displayed both sides of the argument.

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    Knowing half the truth is worse than being lied to.

    TFP is simply waiting until all the eggs are in one basket before letting us know what's going on.

    I mean, just imagine the reaction from the user base in the following situations.


    • TFP lost the auction. They're still trying to find out who bought it.
    • TFP Lost the auction. They're working with the purchaser.
    • TFP won the auction. They're seeking another publishing company.
    • TFP won the auction. They're working on a deal with Sony to publish, and IG for continuing development.


    That's just 4 possibilities off the top of my head.

    Now look at those again, and realize that the recipient of the information is an un-educated console player. They aren't familiar with how the world works. They aren't aware of the realities of the legal system, and the amount of effort that has to be put in to keep the ball rolling.

    In each of those scenarios, the best-effort time to getting things rolling again is several months. Assuming that everything works out in the end, you're still looking at at least a few months of development time by IG. More if the purchaser sources to another company, that could take a year.

    Now TFP gives you the little tidbits of news, and those same console players are out here screaming "where's the damn update" again.

    This is all assuming that it's deemed financially viable to continue. It may not be.

    In which case, we're stuck with what we bought. A finished product of the PC version at Alpha 14.7. Everything after that is cake.
    The updates with a15 features were a bonus we weren't entitled to.
    The huge amounts of money spent to continue developing the console version to keep updating it an adding things wasn't something anyone had to do. (And to be fair, Telltale probably spent that money, not TFP.)
    TFP promising to continue to aid console users wasn't required either. It wasn't their idea to do the console port in the first place, TellTale approached them on that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SylenThunder View Post
    Knowing half the truth is worse than being lied to.

    TFP is simply waiting until all the eggs are in one basket before letting us know what's going on.

    I mean, just imagine the reaction from the user base in the following situations.


    • TFP lost the auction. They're still trying to find out who bought it.
    • TFP Lost the auction. They're working with the purchaser.
    • TFP won the auction. They're seeking another publishing company.
    • TFP won the auction. They're working on a deal with Sony to publish, and IG for continuing development.


    That's just 4 possibilities off the top of my head.

    Now look at those again, and realize that the recipient of the information is an un-educated console player. They aren't familiar with how the world works. They aren't aware of the realities of the legal system, and the amount of effort that has to be put in to keep the ball rolling.

    In each of those scenarios, the best-effort time to getting things rolling again is several months. Assuming that everything works out in the end, you're still looking at at least a few months of development time by IG. More if the purchaser sources to another company, that could take a year.

    Now TFP gives you the little tidbits of news, and those same console players are out here screaming "where's the damn update" again.

    This is all assuming that it's deemed financially viable to continue. It may not be.

    In which case, we're stuck with what we bought. A finished product of the PC version at Alpha 14.7. Everything after that is cake.
    The updates with a15 features were a bonus we weren't entitled to.
    The huge amounts of money spent to continue developing the console version to keep updating it an adding things wasn't something anyone had to do. (And to be fair, Telltale probably spent that money, not TFP.)
    TFP promising to continue to aid console users wasn't required either. It wasn't their idea to do the console port in the first place, TellTale approached them on that.
    I agree with about 50% of your post. But when you start throwing out names as “un-educated console player” I think you are causing part of the anger coming from the console player, educated or un-educated. That being said I wasn’t the person who posted the TellTale Update and said I was working on getting the rights back to a game after terminating the agreement between TFP and TTG, or continuing aid to console players.

    The continuing aid to the console player part is part of the half truth I think you are talking about. I do believe TFP want every version to succeed and be the best it can be, but I also understand how the real world works, and like to educate people on things rather then insult because they don’t know how businesses stay in business or what causes them to file for assignment. Spending resources (money) on something we both agree was never likely the plan (making it for console) will not accomplish the goal of finishing up the PC version.

    I agree there are countless scenarios to where this can go. The fact is no matter what happens, it will happen in a logical order, that could be easily shared. There has to be a plan in place and understandably that plan can change. The interesting thing is Stranded Deep the game like 7D2D in alpha on steam was going to be released by TTG and got bit by the same issue, except it wasn’t an update, but the release of the game. They posted in May (on twitter) they got their rights back and are moving forward with the port to console. So I think we all know that the auction of the source code for console is owned by someone. I do not believe TFP are not trying to find out who bought it for two logical reasons. 1) They own it, or 2)Why go seek out who bought the rights to it as there is no real smart business reason to spend money on as you already said it a completed game, the agreement with TTG being terminated meant no updates/sequels which i can only assume passed on to the next owner. So why not come out and let that shoe drop? Without seeing the original contract TFP might have missed a big paycheck if they didn’t think the console game would sell over 3 million copies.

    I really hope they did get it, and plan on re-releasing it for ps4, and put me on the pre-order list.

    As for the console players screaming “where’s the damn update”. I will help you educate them and tell them TFP never promised us the update. TTG was the one who promised that, and likely promised to pay IG for doing the actual work. I do believe Roland at one point posted it was close to being done. Please call me out on that and I will go find the quote as I did ask how he knew that. Doesn’t take much to put in news and announcements a new thread that is closed and you won’t have to hear anyone complain.

    So the only real reason I come to the console section to see what is going on, and is to see what the game plan is, or heck maybe even an idea of a time frame of when we might hear something. Once again even if that game plan is sorry guys we tried but it didn’t work out. Unfortunately for us console players the TTG update in early 2018 that discussion turned into silence. Then mid 2018 things were on track and the update would be out at the end, followed by silence. Until the TellTale Games update from TFP which brings us to this point right here. IMHO TTG did the cowardice thing and just left the building. I get no one likes bad news, but I don’t believe this is the fault of TFP so man up and at least acknowledge the source code was sold, and if TFP own it or not. Anything beyond that I would totally understand is beyond your control and I wouldn’t say much after that either. Well unless I did own the code, at which point I would put it on kickstarter to not risk any additional resources until the PC is gold.

    The logical idea is to communicate so both sides understand where each side is. We don’t have to agree, but we do have to respect that we might disagree. If TFP posted tomorrow or the next day, or the next month, or the next year with any information do you really think you are not going to have unhappy people either way?????

    For the record TFP never posted the 7D2D official T-shirt that is for sale in the console section, or the twitter contest for a free steam key. I know console isn’t steam based but they could have offered a free console version. I own both versions, but I have friends who for financial reasons like the console over the PC. I love both and understand the pros and cons of both sides. I am the educated person who gets to do all the hard work in keeping up the console version because the window is still open.

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