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    Game Development 101 (and other arguments)

    Quote Originally Posted by Trankitas View Post

    You bought that asset bundle from him?
    Todd is my hero. But 10+ years between elder scrolls versions? I had high hopes to play about 10 more before I croak not 1-2. Should have shipped one in 2016 and another in 2020. They lost at least 2 billion dollars with this delay.

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    Quote Originally Posted by madmole View Post
    Todd is my hero. But 10+ years between elder scrolls versions? I had high hopes to play about 10 more before I croak not 1-2. Should have shipped one in 2016 and another in 2020. They lost at least 2 billion dollars with this delay.
    Its done when its done....

    OHHHHHHHH!!!!!! dayyyyum….

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    Quote Originally Posted by madmole View Post
    Todd is my hero. But 10+ years between elder scrolls versions? I had high hopes to play about 10 more before I croak not 1-2. Should have shipped one in 2016 and another in 2020. They lost at least 2 billion dollars with this delay.
    One of the most (if not THE most) charismatic game developer/producer/director i've ever seen. They've made some mistakes but I love Bethesda, Fallout saga and 7 Days to die are my favourite games (and i've play a LOT of games in my 24 years of life).

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Gronk View Post
    I prefer to remain anonymous.

    "Go make your own game that is actually fun if its so easy" - done

    "Add voxels to it and use Unity and tell me how easy it is." - done, it isn't

    "Code it on top of 7 years of other peoples code." - I made my living doing this with a wide variety of code bases and several times the variables were named in other languages such as Turkish, Arabic and Slovenian.
    Still what game is it that your bragging about? Can't claim this stuff then refuse to prove it imo. If there are multiple people that worked on the game, its not like they'll pinpoint who you are, nor do they care really. They just wanna see if your game can live up to your bragging is all, and so do I. I need something to play till a18 hits anyway.
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    Quote Originally Posted by madmole View Post
    Todd is my hero. But 10+ years between elder scrolls versions? I had high hopes to play about 10 more before I croak not 1-2. Should have shipped one in 2016 and another in 2020. They lost at least 2 billion dollars with this delay.
    I used to respect him as a designer until he started sacrificing good gameplay in the name of accessibility. Still respect him as a businessman though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by meganoth View Post
    One of the occasions I agree with VictoriousIII, though I would have refrained from posting the know-it-all remark at the end
    You are one of the few that actually intuitively see the three i's as I's and therefor "the third"...

    and then you somehow corrected the hard K to a c god dammit. you were so close to greatness


    Spoiler: 

    And my selfrighteousness really only happens to come out on this forum because I was right so often and people just kept claiming the same stupid arguments :P (not saying I'm better or anything! It is just frustrating to say 6+6=12 and someone says "but I only have 10 fingers so there is no way to count that high" over an over. And yes... it truely is like that sometimes on here (*cough* "why do you care how I play" is probably the most acknowledged one)


    Also thank you for agreeing

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    Quote Originally Posted by RestInPieces View Post
    I used to respect him as a designer until he started sacrificing good gameplay in the name of accessibility. Still respect him as a businessman though.
    I'd disagree. Everything they made more accessible is a better design. Morrowind and Oblivion were overdesigned in some areas and they cleaned that up well in Skyrim. Spell creation: Klunky and was deleted. Leveling was streamlined. Classes removed. Armor needing repair was nuked. All better for the game IMO.

    Its a designer trap to make things overly complicated. Its actually very easy to make a klunky complicated design. Some odd players like that stuff, most don't.

    I tried Cities Skylines last night, I bought it in 2016 lol. Gave up on it in under 5 minutes, reading multiple paragraphs and "studying" on a Friday night is not my idea of fun. I've heard its a great game and it probably is, but there has to be a better way of teaching than making someone read a ton of garbage and make them feel like they are probably making a mistake by doing anything.

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    Quote Originally Posted by madmole View Post
    [...] Spell creation: Klunky and was deleted. Leveling was streamlined. [...] All better for the game IMO.
    I mean... it is just THE most requested feature in the elderscrolls...

    but I mean... that is you I guess If something isnt optimized, just scrap it and replace it with nothing instead of tweeking it so it is better.
    (#sorrynotsorry for that snarky tone, but it is true that this is one of 7d2d biggest flaws in my opinion and reading your comment I think I can trace it back to you. Removing something that is absolutely unbalancable is rarely okay. But not replacing it with something else leaves unnatural holes in the product, especially, but not exclusively for people who already played it before.)

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    Quote Originally Posted by madmole View Post
    I'd disagree. Everything they made more accessible is a better design. Morrowind and Oblivion were overdesigned in some areas and they cleaned that up well in Skyrim. Spell creation: Klunky and was deleted. Leveling was streamlined. Classes removed. Armor needing repair was nuked. All better for the game IMO.

    Its a designer trap to make things overly complicated. Its actually very easy to make a klunky complicated design. Some odd players like that stuff, most don't.

    I tried Cities Skylines last night, I bought it in 2016 lol. Gave up on it in under 5 minutes, reading multiple paragraphs and "studying" on a Friday night is not my idea of fun. I've heard its a great game and it probably is, but there has to be a better way of teaching than making someone read a ton of garbage and make them feel like they are probably making a mistake by doing anything.
    In this case, I would disagree simply on the basis that some folks preferred the Oblivion style of actually having to choose a class and such. Heck, even with Skyrim, I have actually downloaded mods that implement such a thing in it, even though Skyrim at its core was never meant for it.

    As for Cities Skylines, I can kinda see where you didn't like it. I don't think I had to read too much but that's just my experience.

    Now on-topic, are there any more trader improvements coming? Like right now in-game there is the trader NPC and then are the rentable vending machines that be rented in the trader settlement. Are there any improvements that will come to incentive the player to use those rentable vending machines more? The only thing the in-game journal has about those vending machines is that a player can put things in it to sell and "NPC" will occasionally buy from it. Personally, for me the improvements I would like to see for that mechanic are:

    - Putting in more information in the journal as to what the "NPC" prefer to buy and how often they would buy from it

    - Being able to rent vending machines at all the traders instead of being locked to that one vending machine

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    On this day marks the 50th anniversary of Apollo, the first moon landing!

    Be careful, some of those old farts are still around.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sillls View Post
    On this day marks the 50th anniversary of Apollo, the first moon landing!

    Be careful, some of those old farts are still around.
    They were just faster than me.

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    Sorry if this has been asked and answered recently, but can we still expect the first A18 experimental to drop in August?

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    Quote Originally Posted by enragedcamel View Post
    Sorry if this has been asked and answered recently, but can we still expect the first A18 experimental to drop in August?
    Plausible, dates are not discussed because the complexity of the game.

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    Quote Originally Posted by enragedcamel View Post
    Sorry if this has been asked and answered recently, but can we still expect the first A18 experimental to drop in August?
    I am 99.9% sure it wil drop before August.



    2020

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