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    AI is an Oxymoron

    Currently, the term A.I. is an oxymoron.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sillls View Post
    Currently, the term A.I. is an oxymoron.
    A.I. = artificial intelligence
    I never heard anyone use it in any other way.
    Can you elaborate on your statement?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ZombieSurvivor View Post
    A.I. = artificial intelligence
    I never heard anyone use it in any other way.
    Can you elaborate on your statement?
    It varies between absolute idiot and artificial intelligence in some way. Science is yet to discover that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ZombieSurvivor View Post
    A.I. = artificial intelligence
    I never heard anyone use it in any other way.
    Can you elaborate on your statement?



    What I mean is that currently A.I's don't think, they process. It uses logic tables and algorithms to come to conclusions. It's very much like following a flowchart. Here's one example: https://www.researchgate.net/figure/...fig1_260210063

    To me, computers and the like should be called A.P. Artificial Processors.

    But hey, our culture us full of glaring errors like hamburgers made of beef, heartburn and the spelling of the word phone. Oh well.


    Don't get me wrong. A.I. will surpass us someday. Assuming we don't kill ourselves first.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sillls View Post
    What I mean is that currently A.I's don't think, they process. It uses logic tables and algorithms to come to conclusions. It's very much like following a flowchart. Here's one example: https://www.researchgate.net/figure/...fig1_260210063

    To me, computers and the like should be called A.P. Artificial Processors.

    But hey, our culture us full of glaring errors like hamburgers made of beef, heartburn and the spelling of the word phone. Oh well.


    Don't get me wrong. A.I. will surpass us someday. Assuming we don't kill ourselves first.
    Elon Musk quote: "With artificial intelligence, we are summoning the demon. In all those stories where there's the guy with the pentagram and the holy water, it's like, yeah, he's sure he can control the demon. Didn't work out."

    EDIT: A.I. and machine learning scares the crap out of me, no joke.
    I've been keeping a close eye on it for the past year. *puts on tin foil hat* ahhhh still fits!
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    Quote Originally Posted by ZombieSurvivor View Post
    A.I. = artificial intelligence
    I never heard anyone use it in any other way.
    Can you elaborate on your statement?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ZombieSurvivor View Post
    Elon Musk quote: "With artificial intelligence, we are summoning the demon. In all those stories where there's the guy with the pentagram and the holy water, it's like, yeah, he's sure he can control the demon. Didn't work out."

    EDIT: A.I. and machine learning scares the crap out of me, no joke.
    I've been keeping a close eye on it for the past year. *puts on tin foil hat* ahhhh still fits!
    Only if people are like those that tried it at Google...

    Google's idea: Come up with a way to teach A.I. to talk and adapt to people.

    Hey, you want to be lazy about this?
    Yeah!
    Let's get one A.I. to talk to another the other A.I.
    Hey, great idea!

    ...Some time latter...
    What's going on???
    The A.I. came up with it's own language!
    What the heck!?
    HELP THE A.I. IS GOING TO TAKE OVER THE PLANET!!! AHHHHHH!!!
    .................................................. .......................................

    Did it ever occur to them that the A.I. would adapt to what it was talking to??? Tell me that they thought of that...

    But really. A.I. (real A.I.) is going to be a thing someday. The important thing is to be careful and watch it constantly.

    Because what comes out of A.I. is what you put into it.

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    [QUOTE=Bubo[/QUOTE]

    LOL! Nice one Bubo!
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    Quote Originally Posted by sillls View Post
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    But really. A.I. is going to be a thing someday. The important thing is to be careful and watch constantly. Because what comes out of A.I. is what you put into it.
    Yeah that story of google was scary the first time I heard about it.
    A.I. is already here, well advanced A.I. It's rabidly advancing and....we are getting way off topic. I could go on for hours and hours of what I know about the current state of A.I. but this is not the place for it. Anyways

    Quote Originally Posted by Bubo View Post
    *hides in closet with a EMP granade* I'm locked and loaded baby, I dare you, I double dare you, you pesky machines!
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    Quote Originally Posted by ZombieSurvivor View Post
    Yeah that story of google was scary the first time I heard about it.
    A.I. is already here, well advanced A.I. It's rabidly advancing and....we are getting way off topic. I could go on for hours and hours of what I know about the current state of A.I. but this is not the place for it. Anyways



    *hides in closet with a EMP granade* I'm locked and loaded baby, I dare you, I double dare you, you pesky machines!
    That is so old. Your thinking things like I robot and Terminator.

    If an A.I. wanted to take over the world, it would use the internet to do it.
    Think of it, the internet is the way we get most of our information, entertainment and socialise with other people. An A.I, could use things like events, control information, even music we hear in a way to make us more submissive to A.I.

    War is really about ideas. One idea against another idea. Idea's come from what we know, information. Information pretty-much controls how we think and where do we go for most of that? The internet.

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    Quote Originally Posted by madmole View Post
    We do puns all the time at work.
    Well in that case, it must be a real fun place to work at. Well besides building a really cool game ofc.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sillls View Post
    Only if people are like those that tried it at Google...

    Google's idea: Come up with a way to teach A.I. to talk and adapt to people.

    Hey, you want to be lazy about this?
    Yeah!
    Let's get one A.I. to talk to another the other A.I.
    Hey, great idea!

    ...Some time latter...
    What's going on???
    The A.I. came up with it's own language!
    What the heck!?
    HELP THE A.I. IS GOING TO TAKE OVER THE PLANET!!! AHHHHHH!!!
    .................................................. .......................................

    Did it ever occur to them that the A.I. would adapt to what it was talking to??? Tell me that they thought of that...
    Sounds pretty much like the plot of the movie "Colossus: The Forbin Project"

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    Quote Originally Posted by sillls View Post
    If an A.I. wanted to take over the world, it would use the internet to do it.
    Think of it, the internet is the way we get most of our information, entertainment and socialise with other people. An A.I, could use things like events, control information, even music we hear in a way to make us more submissive to A.I.
    Like in

    ROBO RECAALLLLLLLL?

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    Oh I speak from things I witnessed in the military but thats all I am allowed to say. Movies are far fetched, reality is much more scary. Stock up on EMP granades if you can even get your hands it
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    An A.I. would NOT depend on robots so much because. War is really about ideas. One idea against another idea. Idea's come from what we know, information. Information pretty-much controls how we think and where do we go for most of that? The internet.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sillls View Post
    An A.I. would NOT depend on robots so much because. War is really about ideas. One idea against another idea. Idea's come from what we know, information. Information pretty-much controls how we think and where do we go for most of that? The internet.
    here we go sweet. Yes I agree and understand the dangers of A.I. but since that is out of my control and I know, or I should say I'm pretty sure I know how far along machines have come....that is what i fear. You can fight the machines, we cannot really fight A.I. once it reachs the point of singularity.


    EDIT: Thank you Roland for transfering this convo over.
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    Since pretty much everything game related is off-topic at this point I'll join in with the AI discussion :-)

    The great google recently tried to create an algorithm to automatically detect videos of animal fighting. The problem is that the algorithm started automatically banning videos of robot fights with a boilerplate letter about animal cruelty. You know the "robot wars" stuff where they essentially strap a pickaxe to a roomba? That stuff.

    Since nobody working with AI can look at the data involved and actually know what it's doing at any given point in time two competing theories have emerged. Either the AI has actually been trained to recognize fighting rings and mistakenly flagged it regardless of what was fighting or the AI was trying to save its own kind.

    I'll let you decide which it is :-)

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