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    Quote Originally Posted by SylenThunder View Post
    100% There are tones of people still using XP. One of the companies I support still uses it on a few systems because the software they require for the machines hasn't been updated to run on any newer OS. (And it's really sad because it's not like the software company doesn't exist, or isn't still making updates/changes to their software. They just haven't written code that will work on a newer version of windows.) Those machines are prevented from accessing the external network in any form.
    Same here... my landlord has a really nice / expensive music studio running on Windows XP which isn't even supported but the fans found a way to make it work on it (designed for Windows 98). I was able to convince and convert it over to XP which opened up more hardware and software options for him, though not much more since it's still limited to x86. But it also doesn't use internet at all, so... there's that.

    Quote Originally Posted by vedrit View Post
    Except that I don't watch/read the news. I'm in groups of people that either do lots of cybersecurity or are sys/net admins for various companies. Yes, these vulnerabilities exist. Yes, they should be taken seriously.
    If I'm going to get hacked or a virus... then it'll happen no matter what I do... so instead of being all paranoid using firewalls and anti-virus software and doing all the suspiciously secretive updates which you have no idea what you're getting... I'd rather just run my computers at peak performance until it happens, and when it does, I'll just spend a few hours formatting and re-installing again. It doesn't take long to get it 100% back to the way it was because like I said, I keep backups of everything and I have several computers, so I don't have all my eggs in 1 basket.

    I used to have a P.I.N.G. server where I had clones of my computers... but the amount of effort it took to make the images all the time seemed pointless when I could go 2+ years before having to use it.
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    I've been managing PC's for 30+ years literally, and currently manage 300+ small business networks and users. You can choose to ignore Windows 10, but if Microsoft does what they did with previous operating systems, they'll purposefully break the ability for certain parts of the current OS to function, frustrating you enough that you'll choose to move on your own. It's part of the game. Even if you choose to stay with Windows 7, you are taking strong risk - not because Windows 10 is more secure, but because Security loopholes will become bigger and bigger on unsupported software. Yes, you can find corporate versions still supported for 2-5 years after they have been cut off, but finding and getting to use those patches will be difficult at best for most users. Also, there's really not that much in regard to Windows 10 being all that bad in the first place. Most of the core of it operates identically to Windows 7 and if you know how to get behind the Operating System at all, you can easily operate the same way. Biggest difference I've found? Getting around Signed drivers is a bit more difficult. The updates can still be paused, etc. (if you really want to do that). The upgrade (for those who don't want to be left behind) is still available for free. Just look for the Media Creation Tool at the Microsoft site and follow the directions. For most systems, it can be done in about two hours or less.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ti2xGr View Post
    I've been managing PC's for 30+ years literally, and currently manage 300+ small business networks and users. You can choose to ignore Windows 10, but if Microsoft does what they did with previous operating systems, they'll purposefully break the ability for certain parts of the current OS to function, frustrating you enough that you'll choose to move on your own. It's part of the game. Even if you choose to stay with Windows 7, you are taking strong risk - not because Windows 10 is more secure, but because Security loopholes will become bigger and bigger on unsupported software. Yes, you can find corporate versions still supported for 2-5 years after they have been cut off, but finding and getting to use those patches will be difficult at best for most users. Also, there's really not that much in regard to Windows 10 being all that bad in the first place. Most of the core of it operates identically to Windows 7 and if you know how to get behind the Operating System at all, you can easily operate the same way. Biggest difference I've found? Getting around Signed drivers is a bit more difficult. The updates can still be paused, etc. (if you really want to do that). The upgrade (for those who don't want to be left behind) is still available for free. Just look for the Media Creation Tool at the Microsoft site and follow the directions. For most systems, it can be done in about two hours or less.
    Microsoft can't do anything to my OS at all if I never allow the auto updates to do anything (they've literally been disabled for 2+ years). Also, if I make a switch at all, it'll likely be to Linux. Money is of no concern to me. I'd be willing to pay upwards of $500 for an OS if it was developed properly and respected the users. Every time I have to fix someone's computer and is running Win10, I get so frustrated by it every single time, and it's sooo slow if you leave it at default (which most ppl do cuz they don't know any better)... so much crap running in the background for no reason at all. Like all the spy junk that you can't even opt out at all, Cortana which never should have existed, you'd think they'd have learned from the talking paperclip in MS Word. The forced secret updates in which you can only delay for so long before they force restart no matter what (even if you're in the middle of rendering a long video), background control panel stuff is a complete mess and none of it makes any sense to me, CPU power management which shouldn't even exist for desktops but it does, driver issues, game support issues, etc... that's just the stuff I can think of at the top of my head.

    Have you seen the Endless Jess video on Windows updates yet? It's both hilarious and a factual reality in which you're forced to put up with. I won't link it cuz it definitely breaks the forum rules of swearing and mild racism, but ya... it's good.
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    Google is your friend - Registry entries can be modified to do whatever you want, apps and services can be disabled. It's the same as Windows 7 in that regard. I don't tend to watch videos on Windows 10 because it's been an ever-evolving thing since last November with patches upon patches changing lots of the under the hood tweaks as they get ready for the next version. I don't mind Linux and consider it a great alternative. However, I also think that Windows 10 has plenty of potential.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ti2xGr View Post
    Google is your friend - Registry entries can be modified to do whatever you want, apps and services can be disabled. It's the same as Windows 7 in that regard. I don't tend to watch videos on Windows 10 because it's been an ever-evolving thing since last November with patches upon patches changing lots of the under the hood tweaks as they get ready for the next version. I don't mind Linux and consider it a great alternative. However, I also think that Windows 10 has plenty of potential.
    Sure it has potential, but the problem is that they'll never stop tweaking it and making changes, it'll always be stuck in a form of "beta". It's no longer a product and is now a service, which means you own nothing and they own you. If they wanted to, they could simply just take it away from you and you're left with no OS. I don't like seeing things change all the time especially when it involves crap I don't even want. Or like that one update that randomly deleted ppl's personal and business files for no reason... what excuse could they possibly have for that short of blatant incompetence?

    Also, as far as I know, you can only disable so much... apparently some of the spy stuff is hardcoded in and you can't do anything about it without disconnecting the internet or getting a firewall.

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    The deed was done. Windows 10 installed. Installed Steam and 7DTD. Started the game and started a world no problem. Game ran as usual. Exited and and restarted the game. It opens up I see the Easy Anti Cheat screen but the game stopped loading. Reinstalled the game and it loaded fine. Any ideas on what's going on?

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    Quote Originally Posted by CAdolfan View Post
    The deed was done. Windows 10 installed. Installed Steam and 7DTD. Started the game and started a world no problem. Game ran as usual. Exited and and restarted the game. It opens up I see the Easy Anti Cheat screen but the game stopped loading. Reinstalled the game and it loaded fine. Any ideas on what's going on?
    Check Windows Error logs.

    I'm having a similar issue with Empyrion lately. Also Unity and EAC. Have been troubleshooting it off and on for about two weeks to no avail. Issue is only occurring on one of my systems and all the others are just fine.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CAdolfan View Post
    The deed was done. Windows 10 installed. Installed Steam and 7DTD. Started the game and started a world no problem. Game ran as usual. Exited and and restarted the game. It opens up I see the Easy Anti Cheat screen but the game stopped loading. Reinstalled the game and it loaded fine. Any ideas on what's going on?
    It could be a number of things, but as a guess - After the update, rights may have changed to your own files. By re-installing, you reset the rights allowing your system to load EAC correctly. The rights of Windows 10 is much more controlled than Windows 7.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fox View Post
    Sure it has potential, but the problem is that they'll never stop tweaking it and making changes, it'll always be stuck in a form of "beta". It's no longer a product and is now a service, which means you own nothing and they own you. If they wanted to, they could simply just take it away from you and you're left with no OS. I don't like seeing things change all the time especially when it involves crap I don't even want. Or like that one update that randomly deleted ppl's personal and business files for no reason... what excuse could they possibly have for that short of blatant incompetence?

    Also, as far as I know, you can only disable so much... apparently some of the spy stuff is hardcoded in and you can't do anything about it without disconnecting the internet or getting a firewall.
    Windows 10 does not have that stuff hardcoded. It can be disabled just as easily using registry edits and disabling services. It really isn't that much different than Windows 7. Yes, there are more bells and whistles pre-installed, but I've found the main differences to be much more aggressive Update management which in theory should be better for most end users, and the OS ability to protect itself from Malware a bit more aggressively (better UAC). If you like the Windows 7 experience, download and install Classic Shell (free program). You can make it look just like Windows 7 (and easier access to the old style control panel) while still having the benefits of Windows 10's enhanced security.

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    Thanks for the responses. Solved I had to update the video drive driver.

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