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    Quote Originally Posted by Ghostlight View Post
    You don't defend your towers. I've never seen a TD game where you defend the towers you build. You defend some core or other maguffin that the enemies are trying to get to.
    In this game the maguffin be you. You are the tower that needs defending.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HungryZombie View Post
    In this game the maguffin be you. You are the tower that needs defending.
    Itís you in those other games as well but you have zero freedom to leave. There are a few where you can leave and they still attack the base and you are just one of the defenders but those are the exceptions.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Adam the Waster View Post
    there is



    Leaving the game
    True...however, leaving doesnt allow you to advance to the next level...😂😂😂

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    Quote Originally Posted by Roland View Post
    I didn't use the plural form of tower so why did you add it? You do defend a core or other maguffin in this game that the enemies are trying to get to. The difference is you build it or fortify an existing structure. That's what I meant by "tower" with the singular. You are defending your base. In this game that could be a tower, a bunker, a compound, whatever you want to defend. Yes, technically they are actually after you personally but that inevitably turns into you defending whatever structure you are in as well.

    Sheesh....we are talking in generalities here. This really shouldn't be this hard for people to make such obvious connections and parallels....
    Are you kidding??

    Youíre really desperately trying to make a comparison thatís not there.
    The person is NEVER the object ďthingsĒ are trying to get to in a TD is - the core is.

    I mean, Iíve seen some seriously crazy defenses of this game from people, but there is nothing in calling 7d a Td game other than people just wanting to follow some status quo here

    7d is not a Tower Defense game

    Just stop

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ac75 View Post
    Are you kidding??

    You’re really desperately trying to make a comparison that’s not there.
    The person is NEVER the object “things” are trying to get to in a TD is - the core is.

    I mean, I’ve seen some seriously crazy defenses of this game from people, but there is nothing in calling 7d a Td game other than people just wanting to follow some status quo here

    7d is not a Tower Defense game

    Just stop
    Now you are just splitting hairs...now you are just trolling...

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    Ever played Desktop Tower Defense? The game that invented the term?

    7dtd's got elements of tower defense. Just like it says on the tin.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Roland View Post
    It’s you in those other games as well but you have zero freedom to leave. There are a few where you can leave and they still attack the base and you are just one of the defenders but those are the exceptions.
    Perhaps but there are games where you also have to defend an end point or flag or something as well. Guess it's just me but those are what first come to my mind thinking TD, like the old Warcraft customer TD maps.

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    Why is everyone like "bug fixed yay" about the elevator? I would rather have an elevator that works without bugs than just having it removed.

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    I have never and never will consider this a tower defense game or even in the same family of tower defense games. I am a huge fan of tower defense games and this is not a tower defense game by any means. Now if my memory serves me right, and this is based on what I have seen and played in my life, "Starcraft" and those modded tower defense maps were the first ones really to invent the tower defense game, then you seen the creation of real tower defense games and they all came after the modders invented tower defense for starcraft. :/


    Yeah yeah I get that tower defense is a very very broad definition but, I don't care how the world views it. If you really want to stick on tower defense on this game thats fine because really......it doesnt matter. in fact Space Invaders was techneically the very first tower defense game but i think we all would agree that is not one, even though it is.... i dunno I'm rammbling lol

    EDIT: actually "Rampart" just came to my mind....I think that was made before starcraft... not sure... if Rampart was made before starcraft then i would say that game is the very first true tower defense game
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    Iíve decided that it is like one of those stereoscopic 3D posters. Some people just canít see it no matter how long they stare at it...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Roland View Post
    I’ve decided that it is like one of those stereoscopic 3D posters. Some people just can’t see it no matter how long they stare at it...
    I wouldn't go that far. I think the few or maybe many i dunno, but lets stick with the few of us who do not consider this a tower defense game is because we have a more strict and classical definition of what a tower defense game is. Does 7 Days to Die have tower defense type elements, technically it does which is why I do not mind this game slapping on tower defense as part of its description.

    What are the 5 basic elements that make a tower defense game is as follow (in my opinion)

    "1. A tower defense game involves enemies crossing from one side of the battlefield to another.
    2. If they make it to their destination, that's not a good thing. In most cases, the player loses lives, health, or that kind of thing. Losing all one's lives/health results in a Game Over.
    3. In order to prevent them from reaching their destination, the player is able to create "towers." These towers are not always actually towers, but may be something else, like monkeys (Bloons TD 4), automated gun platforms like machine guns (Warzone), or troops with shotguns and such (Frontline). Generally these so-called "towers" are automated and keep shooting at the enemy.
    4. There is generally a high scores option.
    5. There is usually a difficulty option, as well (higher difficulties mean more enemies, a less circuitous path for the enemies, etc)." -Charles Wetzel

    Am I blind because I say I do not consider this a TDG? no not by any means. I can see and fully understand why this would be considered to have tower defense elements, because it does. But in my own opinion and belief this is by no means a tower defense game becaue to me. it is or is not a tower defense game, there is no mixxing at all. its one or the other. that is why i disagree about calling any part of this game a tower defense.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ZombieSurvivor View Post
    Yeah yeah I get that tower defense is a very very broad definition
    Wouldn't say it's that broad. It just means defending something from pathing enemies, using various tools (like towers, turrets or traps traditionally).

    Whether it's Rampart on DOS, or much later Starcraft/Warcraft custom maps, with a hero and extra gimmicks or without, they still fall into that category.

    Quote Originally Posted by Roland View Post
    I’ve decided that it is like one of those stereoscopic 3D posters. Some people just can’t see it no matter how long they stare at it...
    It seems some people can't differentiate between a game having some elements from another genre and the game strictly belonging to that genre.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RestInPieces View Post
    Wouldn't say it's that broad. It just means defending something from pathing enemies, using various tools (like towers, turrets or traps traditionally).
    Thats what I meant by a broad definition. The very basic definition of a tower defense is exactly as u said. many many games could claim to be tower defense games by that definition but clearly are not. In the classical sense, this is not a tower defense game or should ever be considered in the same family as tdg. As I said to Roland already though, there is no doubt this game has many TD elements in it and anyone who cannot see that do not understand what a tower defense game is.

    EDIT:
    Are people wrong that claim this game has tower defense elements? No
    are people wrong for saying this is by no means a tower defense game? No

    I think it boils down to what the player defines as a tower defense game since the definition is so broad.

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    Who has made the claim that it is a tower defense game? All anyone has said from the beginning is that seven days to die has elements of tower defense. The only person who comes close is ripclaw who wants it to be called a tower defense game because he wants all defenses to be automated and doesnít want the player to have to participate in the defense of the base. But itís not a tower defense game therefore we do actively participate on horde and the game will never strictly conform to the conventions of a pure tower defense game.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RestInPieces View Post
    It seems some people can't differentiate between a game having some elements from another genre and the game strictly belonging to that genre.
    and how!

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