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Thread: Developer Diary: Alpha 17

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    Quote Originally Posted by ZombieHorde View Post
    Congratulations to the development team for so many promising additions. I'm impressed by the gyrocopter, although I don't really see much of a point right now. Sure, a 'cool' factor but I can't see it adding any real game content.

    Not that this opinion is dissing the developers in anyway, but I would prefer them to add more survival/challenge methods to the game rather than 'cool" factors.

    Buuuut, I might be missing out on some big game plan that only they know where the use of these extra vehicles is paramount.

    But if no big plan that needs them, I personally think the gyrocopter can come for $2 on DLC, same as the hog and other vehicles and animals. We already have a good way to get around in the game with the minibike and animals are doing their job in the game. Polish it up (which I see you have done) with better modelling, and essential transportation has been done. More would be great, but not at the expense of content.

    FUN PIMPS: you've got such a great marketing platform through this game and you're not using it to capitalise financially. Or do you just love us enough that you're including the DLCs for us now?
    There isn't many games I'd support DLC for. This is one of the few exceptions.

    POI Pack -- Check
    Vehicle Pack -- Check
    Terrain Pack or World Type Packs -- Check
    Random Loot Crates for 99 cents -- Check -- just kidding, I'd report them to the BBB for this one - even I have my limits
    Last edited by SnowDog1942; 02-14-2018 at 11:58 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Roland View Post
    Since you claim to be serious here is the huge hole in your argument. Minecraft released as a finished game in 2009 and its story mode came out 6 years after release by an entirely different company. You keep using this example to somehow prove that story mode should come out before release but it is a very poor example for that argument.

    Not wasted at all. It came out 6 years after the core game was released as a complete game with no story mode. I like Minecraft story mode. It's pretty funny and the first episode is free (that's the only one I've played). But WE are all saying that its okay for story mode to come out after release and YOU keep saying it should come out before release and then you use an example that is the poster child for a story mode releasing long after release.

    Thanks for clarifying your opinion. In my opinion once everything they are putting into A17 is there, the game will be nearly feature complete and if they decide to shift some of the remaining features to be DLCs after release then that is perfectly fine. You even agree with that based on your minecraft story mode example. I probably wouldn't want to wait 6 years but if you like that timetable you'll be ecstatic if the story mode comes out next year sometime.

    You say the game doesn't look nearly ready to go to beta. What do you mean by that?
    As I already said, I am dead serious. I didn't mean to engage into an argument about Minecraft but since it's too late for that, I will only point out that they added a story mode because it was lacking in the first place. And of course, releasing it afterwards was much more profitable. I certainly wish that's not going to happen with 7 Days.

    Of course it wasn't, that was my point, excuse the sarcasm here haha. They released a story mode because people wanted one, even if everyone keep saying that's not the main interest of the game. I'm trying to say it should have been in the game all along. You see, the thing is I wasn't using Minecraft as an example of how it should be done, but how it shouldn't be happening instead.

    We shall see then, but since there wasn't many major changes for a few alphas as I already said, I honestly doubt there will be so much more content and most importantly: some serious bug fixes. The game is actually broken as of now, which is fine for an alpha, but not for a beta.
    Last edited by DeadMole; 02-15-2018 at 12:08 AM.

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    I think there's a thing that causes the misconception you have, and it's not your fault.

    Throughout my tenure here there has been an understanding of "in pimps we trust." The problem with this is, 1) you have to be around a very long time through many many alphas to get it, and 2) those of us who DO get it often jump on those that do NOT, causing arguments and whatnot.

    It's sort of elitist of us.

    But I also don't see any other way to convey "trust in them" without time passing. We can't share our past experiences of having the /exact same fears/, time and again, only to be proved wrong, time and again. No one would believe it if we did. =)

    So I say this. Trust in the Pimps. Because really, that's all you can do...

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    Minecraft added a story mode as a cash grab. Period.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SnowDog1942 View Post
    There isn't many games I'd support DLC for. This is one of the few exceptions.

    POI Pack -- Check
    Vehicle Pack -- Check
    Terrain Pack or World Type Packs -- Check
    Random Loot Crates for 99 cents -- Check -- just kidding, I'd report them to the BBB for this one - even I have my limits
    I like to support games that I enjoy and encourage their productivity by buying the DLCs. But not a lot of games do deserve it. But you're right in that 7 days does deserve it and it can essentially be added to time and time again with lots of so many new and different Improvements; it would be good for us as the consumers and enjoyers of the game and also The Fun Pimps financially.

    Which will also incentivize them and allow them to produce more great content.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Guppycur View Post
    @dead

    I think there's a thing that causes the misconception you have, and it's not your fault.

    Throughout my tenure here there has been an understanding of "in pimps we trust." The problem with this is, 1) you have to be around a very long time through many many alphas to get it, and 2) those of us who DO get it often jump on those that do NOT, causing arguments and whatnot.

    It's sort of elitist of us.

    But I also don't see any other way to convey "trust in them" without time passing. We can't share our past experiences of having the /exact same fears/, time and again, only to be proved wrong, time and again. No one would believe it if we did. =)

    So I say this. Trust in the Pimps. Because really, that's all you can do...

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    Minecraft added a story mode as a cash grab. Period.
    I know many of you guys are faithful players who are following the game since even before it came out, but you have to think of new players. If they see a beta release that looks unfinished they won't care about whatever was promised for it. They will just rant at the game for being unfinished.

    Exactly, it should have been in the game all along, as I was saying. Hey who cares about the story mode, no one is playing a sandbox crafting game for the story right? So let's just release it without one. The thing is people wanted a story mode, otherwise Telltale wouldn't have made so much money from it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DeadMole View Post
    As I already said, I am dead serious. I didn't mean to engage into an argument about Minecraft but since it's too late for that, I will only point out that they added a story mode because it was lacking in the first place. And of course, releasing it afterwards was much more profitable. I certainly wish that's not going to happen with 7 Days.
    Gotcha. Sticking to this game there will be a story mode with main quests that reveal the story and in my opinion if that story releases during alpha or if it releases 6 months after the game goes gold those are equally fine outcomes. I also don't want it to take five years.

    We shall see then, but since there wasn't many major changes for a few alphas as I already said, I honestly doubt there will be so much more content and most importantly: some serious bug fixes. The game is actually broken as of now, which is fine for an alpha, but not for a beta.
    I think the problem here is defining what is major. I feel many major changes have come over the last few alphas. In fact, every alpha release the game seems a brand new creature and in general superseding the one before it. But it sounds like they haven't been working on the things that are important to you so to you it seems really samey and no big changes.

    The other problem is that you seem to think the game has to be fixed and polished before it goes to beta. That is simply factually incorrect. The bug fixing, the optimizing, the fleshing out of existing features all happen during beta. That is what beta is for. So yes the game seems unfinished and not ready for release right now. Of course. That's why it shifts into the beta phase of development-- to get it polished and ready for the release.

    If A17 truly ends up being the last alpha it would mean that for the next few to several months the developers will be fine tuning, balancing, and fixing everything that we already have and not spending much time working to put in a whole new feature. Once the game is optimized and looking like a finished product it could be released as version 1.0

    Then, any missing features that were promised could then be worked on and released as DLC's. That could include the main quest story mode. Or bandits. Or anything else that didn't quite make the A17 cut. Maybe there will be an A18 before we shift into beta and more features will be implemented before the big bug fix party begins in force.

    All I'm saying is that I could see A17 being the final alpha version. It's plausible.


    Quote Originally Posted by DeadMole View Post
    If they see a beta release that looks unfinished they won't care about whatever was promised for it. They will just rant at the game for being unfinished.
    Yeah, again TFP can't help it if people misunderstand Beta. But then people have been misunderstanding Alpha and ranting about it for the last 4 years too. Pretty soon we will be saying, "It's Beta" to those cute little monsters.
    Last edited by Roland; 02-15-2018 at 12:24 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SnowDog1942 View Post
    There isn't many games I'd support DLC for. This is one of the few exceptions.

    POI Pack -- Check
    Vehicle Pack -- Check
    Terrain Pack or World Type Packs -- Check
    Random Loot Crates for 99 cents -- Check -- just kidding, I'd report them to the BBB for this one - even I have my limits
    All of this Can be modded
    Even if you buy the Content and Put it on your own Dedicated server
    you will have to share it to others so they have it..so you essentially just bought it and gave it away
    Last edited by xXC.H.U.DXx; 02-15-2018 at 12:33 AM. Reason: More thougths

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    Quote Originally Posted by xXC.H.U.DXx View Post
    All of this Can be modded
    Even if you buy the Content and Put it on your own Dedicated server
    you will have to share it to others so they have it..so you essentially just bought it and gave it away
    The entire game can be pirated for that matter. That's not my point.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SnowDog1942 View Post
    The entire game can be pirated for that matter. That's not my point.
    Then DLC wont work

    The only way for DLC to work is if the Dedicated Server can Push the entire game without a Mod handed out at all...I would even buy all the content then....knowing i can do this.....So far it cant happen...only game so far i seen that pushes everything to the Client is "empyrion" which is essentially the same type of game
    Last edited by xXC.H.U.DXx; 02-15-2018 at 12:37 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by xXC.H.U.DXx View Post
    All of this Can be modded
    Even if you buy the Content and Put it on your own Dedicated server
    you will have to share it to others so they have it..so you essentially just bought it and gave it away
    Any self respecting DLC will include upgrades to the game engine that can't be covered by a mere mod. Besides, I don't think added-cost DLCs are really TFP's way of doing business (but, obviously, I don't really know for sure). The way they've made 7DTD so far it seems like they prefer to give us a product that is well worth the price of admission and becomes the gift that keeps on giving. They could easily make a crap ton more money after this by making 7DTD2 or some other similar game based on some of what they've made for 7DTD.

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    In a game where there are so many different types of gameplay in MP, (PVE, PVP, running certain mods, different settings etc) further splintering the community with paid DLC might not be the way to go. But I'm no optometrist.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TSBX View Post
    But I'm no optometrist.
    I see what you did there.

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    Lemony Snicket advises us to be wary of both optimists and optometrists.

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    And fear the people using optometrics. They claim it's science. /shudder

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    Quote Originally Posted by TSBX View Post
    In a game where there are so many different types of gameplay in MP, (PVE, PVP, running certain mods, different settings etc) further splintering the community with paid DLC might not be the way to go. But I'm no optometrist.
    I always wondered about dlc's in games like this. I am thinking the only things you could get were cosmetic ones or it throws off the whole game for those who won't or can't buy them. For instance if you could buy a complete new vehicle to use on a MP server how would I interact with it if I don't have the dlc. Could I use it? Could you get in it and I not be able to hit you (for pvp game ofc)
    I have many other questions about this but just don't have patience to type them all out

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