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    Quote Originally Posted by Roland View Post
    The thing is that this game is part tower defense and tower defense works best when there are a variety of enemies with abilities that force you to diversify your defenses. So regen is good because you need explosives to really be effective with them or pairing blades and electrocution or turrets and spikes to compound the amount of damage being done.

    Additional zombie abilities are good if they are done with player countermeasures in mind AND current player metas that are trivializing the threats. These threats that make players have to rethink defense strategies don’t have to be introduced from the beginning but can emerge later in the game.

    For example, perches and underground have been discovered to be defenses that trivialize threat of the game but the concern has been “What about new players?” Well then diggers and player placed block busters can be introduced at higher gamestages so that new players can have their easily defensible bases at first but if they can’t adapt eventually their 100% safe havens will become threatened.

    Zombies that the Duke has encased in steel could shred blade traps if they get caught in them but not until later in the game once players have been able to use them successfully.

    And then bandits will be another story.
    You have the Vomit Cops but have you played with the idea a zombie tearing pieces off it's rotting body and throwing them as projectiles? Maybe adding a damage & infection buff for a few seconds in an area effect where they land?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Xtrakicking View Post
    The thing is, what makes zombies scary is in the numbers they come in. When there's hundreds of zombies everywhere and they completely swarm your defenses, the only hope is for those defenses to hold until the threat is eliminated. No special abilities, no complex features or mechanics, just numbers.

    Obviously, this game will never be able to achieve something like that because the game can barely keep the framerate up to a decent level when there's more than 20 zombies on screen. We've truly come to a point where there's not many options to try, unless we make the terrain static.
    hi (new user ) been scouring the thread single MM's last post this was the comment i wanna open on first. Basically could we not have static terrain so any block randomly generated is static with a hit box, any damage that applies to the hitbox will toggle the static coding off for each block for say maybe 10 mins ?

    this could also prove benefit to the optimisation of the game for older/legacy GPUS to handle such a big generation simply because every block in the world thats generate is a static hit box until hit, then its a full block for 10 mins but for every single block in the world

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    Quote Originally Posted by Laz Man View Post
    Maybe when the player first encounters a regen mob they get a new journal entry about it?
    No. One. Reads. Journal. Entries.
    This is 2018. =)


    How all the abilities/perks will interact is still somewhat in the air.
    Radiation regen could for instance be canceled out by a burn effect. Hercules developed that in his fight with the hydra.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ozzysfang View Post
    you'd probably need an NPC
    Now that is where it gets interesting!
    I wonder if the Pimps will come up with a follower as universally despised as Lydia?

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    Quote Originally Posted by madmole View Post
    I get your point, I wasn't even intending on showing it, its just something that went in recently and we haven't even discussed all the show/hide rules yet and decided on anything final. Like I'm pretty sure we won't show on non hostiles or targets you haven't even engaged yet, or sleepers.
    It would probably take alot more work on the art side, but would it be possible to have model damage stages, like at 66% hp they get covered in blood/mud or whatever and have a few chunks missing, then at 30% they get big gouges out of their body, would remove some of the need for health bars, look cool as heck, help with immersion and convey useful information.
    This damage could just be exclusive to the torso, since thats the most visible part of the zombie, which could save some time for the animators, and limbs have a tendency to drop off.

    You could destroy the clothes in the process and just have a generic male and female damage models also to save time.

    Also, perhaps have different sound effects for bosses, if the boss has really high HP, give him a cocky sounding grunt or something, SFX can be great also to convey info, and probably alot cheaper than animation, saving the more grunty grunts for the big bads would not only convey useful information, but would make players ♥♥♥♥ themselves when they hear it

    I mind the health bars alot less than others, but i do understand why they are bothered, thought i might suggest another solution.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Gronk View Post
    It may be a little late if they've already had an encounter with one.

    Such information should be easily (and optionally) obtainable from merchants. They've been surviving for a while and I doubt they want their customers to die too quickly.

    Other in-game cues could be things like posters put up during the final days of the apocalypse or simple graffiti as a warning to others.
    That sounds like a good idea. Something that a newbie would see and understand. You have a image of the zombie and over his head in red, as if written in blood, warning and then the info needed. Newbies shouldn't even have to face them until later in the game, but it helps them to be prepared for when they do run into it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ravnespromise96 View Post
    hi (new user ) been scouring the thread single MM's last post this was the comment i wanna open on first. Basically could we not have static terrain so any block randomly generated is static with a hit box, any damage that applies to the hitbox will toggle the static coding off for each block for say maybe 10 mins ?

    this could also prove benefit to the optimisation of the game for older/legacy GPUS to handle such a big generation simply because every block in the world thats generate is a static hit box until hit, then its a full block for 10 mins but for every single block in the world
    That wouldn't work because the game would be constantly checking the static hitbox of every block spawned. That would kill the framerate actually, and besides, that would also create a lot of problems when it comes to the structural integrity.

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    If you gotta work that hard to justify a reason for health bars, then um...

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Gronk View Post
    Digging Z's were tried and discarded. Gore blocks that allowed Z's to climb walls were tried, failed, and discarded. The only option left is ...
    Not so fast. There is more than one option left: Jumping Zombies, Zombie-throwing Zombies, ghost zombies, artillery zombies, mind control zombies, teleporting zombies, contortionist zombies, parachute exploding zombies, osmosis zombies, Reed Richards zombies, Dune worm zombies

    Before anyone gets triggered by any of these zombies, they could be confined to blood moon so your storage crates would still be safe if you just have the sense to use a separate blood moon base. I really really would prefer a few zombies that are a threat at blood moon without them destroying tons of real estate. Use them scarcely, give them weaknesses as well and they provide moments of horror without breaking the balance.

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    Quote Originally Posted by meganoth View Post
    Not so fast. There is more than one option left: Jumping Zombies, Zombie-throwing Zombies, ghost zombies, artillery zombies, mind control zombies, teleporting zombies, contortionist zombies, parachute exploding zombies, osmosis zombies, Reed Richards zombies, Dune worm zombies

    Before anyone gets triggered by any of these zombies, they could be confined to blood moon so your storage crates would still be safe if you just have the sense to use a separate blood moon base. I really really would prefer a few zombies that are a threat at blood moon without them destroying tons of real estate. Use them scarcely, give them weaknesses as well and they provide moments of horror without breaking the balance.
    Lmao why not have zs that just teleport thru your walls and are unkillable. Zombies are dumb not futuristic smart aliens

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    can we have the HB but for everyone that doesn't want it, make it optional but mandatory for bosses.

    or why not introduce optional Unit frames, what ever the cursor is on, pops up the target unit frame like next to the health bar or something, also for bosses, just have a mandatory frame that pops up (all ideas showing real time health status)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Xtrakicking View Post
    That wouldn't work because the game would be constantly checking the static hitbox of every block spawned. That would kill the framerate actually, and besides, that would also create a lot of problems when it comes to the structural integrity.
    fair, i was kinda thinking having the value of the hit box stay the same even during static, thus not needing the check ?
    as in after static re activates on a block that received lets say 10 damage, you go back two days etc later, and its still the same hit box value (allowing players/npcs to cause structure damage permanantley)

    why would the game need to constantly check static hit box values ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Roland View Post
    How about the first time a regen is encountered and damaged a hp bar appears and shows the life slowly regenerating and a little paperclip could show up in the corner of the screen to give some helpful tips.


    Make it a zombified rusty paperclip for greater immersion...
    Or make the zombies hair turn yellow and stick up implying its hp is regenerating.....and its power level is now ovaaaa 9000!!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Laz Man View Post
    Or make the zombies hair turn yellow and stick up implying its hp is regenerating.....and its power level is now ovaaaa 9000!!!!
    i kinda like this XD

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    'Navezgane County Arizona one of the last true Edenís on Earth'

    Message that hopefully devs read!

    wish i can make a new thread but here it goes

    so was thinking about one more possible feature from the future ? i might've not looked in the correct areas, but any info on the navesgane map extension ? will it extend ? will it get bigger?

    referring to the location description of the premade navesgane map, navesgane has roads that continue through the border that goes around 'the last true eden' usually four exits leaving the map each side .
    Personally id like to see what the OTHER or current edens, maybe make the map so big that it leaves navesgane and enters a NEW zone/county entirely, maybe destroyed and a lot smaller ?
    -to compensate for ingame generation upon entering the game, refer to the navesane map as a zone, then when you enter another zone it loads a new total generation, maybe like a loading screen or something ?

    not beat around the bush, have a zone at each exit of the map you go through, the design of the zone is comeplete destruction as the atmosphere itself is infected,

    - debuff (upon entering area causes a debuff to all players that only lasts 30 seconds, but has a 35 %chance to reactivate after every 5 seconds after the 30seconds is up_ the debuff causes the player to have -75% regen on all stats health regen becomes disabled and hunger/thirst degrade by 3% after every 5 seconds during infection)

    -looks/design (complete ruin, thicker denser bloodmoon - like fog)

    - reason for entering a zone (basically an endgame zone, not worth entering without raid difficulty amount of supplies/gear/food etc, only one big and specific POI with unimaginable loot)

    -area (called a Zone, navesgane would consist of 4 (each exit through the radiation zones either sides of the map), a circular area instead of oblong like navesgane as i said earlier alot smaller -half biome sized-, variable AshBiome-Like terrain textures for each of the four zones, idol and random ruins of POI's, un-intractable and no point of looting just ruins )

    -area 2 (in the zone there will be a road continuing on from navesgane that goes directly to the other end of the circular zone, here will be one large POI, a giant science facility this will contain a fence that goes around the outside of the monolithic facility (above and underground features)

    -NPCS (The only NPC types in this zone are Feral *of all class of z/animal* and a raid boss, No enemy spawn rate, varying from 300-700 zombies -or more- including the raid boss this is all calling this a HORDE MASS, all enemies will be at the POI outside of the fence including the raid boss, all zombies will be sleepers or investigating around the fence that goes around the large structure until the event-next section- has started. All players will be locked on by ALL enemies in the zone.)


    -events (entering the facility grounds and/or shooting and enemies or when a player biomes hunted, will cause the raid event to happen, thus causing all enemies within the zone including raid boss will LOCK onto the player as if it were a blood moon event. the entire terrain AND POI -including fence- is static, cannot receive any block damage until event has commenced, player can PLACE any block on the terrains surface but restricts the players to a tower-type only defence -harsh but adds to the raid feel-, zombies can destroy structures as normal just at feral difficulty. This will all encourage the player(s) to gear up, get the best structures, best traps, and or best weapons/armour to take on the horde mass in the zone)
    -events 2 (defeating the raid boss will end the event, ending the event will lift the static-lock on the terrain and POI's in the zone allowing enemies and the player(s) to destroy blocks and enter the main facility for loot!, the player(s) can actually enter the facility by building block means if they really want but when you enter the grounds of the facility, the event will automatically start and the static lock on the FENCE ONLY will lift, allowing zombies to get in , but every other block, including facility, will still have the lock. so players can build over the fence and get in but wont be able to access/destroy any blocks inside only the fence around the outside, but the event will continue. )

    -infection buff (

    -zone variation (the zones will look like the ash/fire zone in navesgane or vary depending on the story, but the first one i imagine one to be ash biome with denser bloodmoon fog and wind, in the wind will be bits of paper its quite light wind, bits of dirt and ash flying about, fog colours will depend on the zone and story too, the facility in the first zone would be a massive giant facility that is monolithic and goes to the depth limit underground, a tall and indestructable metal fence to go around the outside to hold out the zombie mass and boss, random ruins of houes and larger buildings no loot purely for aesthetic. A road will continue on from navesgane going in a straight line through to meet the facility thats in the middle of the circular zone. textures for other zones will vary on the zone story, the boss will vary on the zone story including the feral zombie zombie class/amount. )

    -event end and irradiation timer afterwards (when players complete the event, an irradiation timer will start it will countdown from 5 ingame hours, when it reaches the end the zone will become irradiated like the irradiated zones in navesganes border. Everyone is to leave and loot everything they can within this time. When all players leave the zone and re enter navesgane, the zone will reset and have a 30 - day ingame cooldown untill it resets. after each zone reset the zone will change, and the plane will no longer appear, will only appear once unill )

    -reason inspritation (how i would tie it in , would be with the original quote from the Fun Pimps official website, saying "You play a survivor trapped in the savage, gritty, zombie infested world of Navezgane County Arizona one of the last true Eden’s on Earth.", this entire idea spawns from the "one of the last true Eden’s on Earth" section of the description of the game. In theory, navesgane is a pocket in the entire irradiated world, presumably the race got scared and nuked the planet. Certain healthy areas in the world or such would be essentialy unharmed by the radiation there will be areas the nukes coulndt cover, thus leaving the county we know as navesgane. "One of the last edens on earth". Well i wanted to know what was beyond navesgane, i thought, the world in absolute ruin, navesgane would only be safe becasue theres not alot of zombies, just a massive horde nown again, so the beyond of navesgane, i would imagine to be filled with zombie MASSES instead of hordes because of the collection and attraction to the main structure site. Story wise i would say the radiation zone in navesgane is due to mass nukeing, navesgane being a pocket that survived it, so my zones idea would be other pockets that have survived , but only because of ZOMBIE masses, creating a vast C02 emission rate, making a pocket of infectious atmosphere (hence dense bloodmoonish fog, wind and infection debuff). So the idea of what BEYOND "Last Edens" made me compensate for the actual current game state, so zones would have to be rather rewarding and holding somethng that navesgane cant deliver, meaning a particular loot, dependding on the zones story.
    Coming on to the stories, the first zone in my head. would bea circular type zone, looks like the black ash biome in navesgane, on a bloodmoon type atmosphere but thicker fog with wind, and a giant science facility, and the loot and is mega because the entire structure is the loot including a particular station thats only obtainable in this zone, nothing that impacts the game too much, but the structure being the loot, it would be a particular bloick thats end game resistance, and an unobtanable skin/texture. All this loot is particular to the facility zone.
    Another zone idea i have goes rather out there..A Plane junkyard, large oblong shaped made longer than wider , (maybe introduce a ruined plane and lootable plane POI in Alpha 17), the entrance will be a long junkyard strip consisting of 4 planes wide rows to the end of the zone, either side of a dusty path, quite a dusty plain barrenish. all planes lootable. The zombie mass and raid boss will be at the end of the map, similar to facitly will be a row of 4 GIANT warehouses, each warehouse will have loads of decent loot usually different vehicle parts and constructive parts, some weapons as it will be millitary themed, same terrain adn static lock rules apply to the terrain and warehouses with the loot inside. as in indestructible untill event has been completed, the event is triggered exactly as the facility zone. and finally one more feature for the junkyard, the end loot...would be a new vehicle, thats only obtainble VIA this zone and after the events completion. The vehicle will quite simply be a small plane/spit fire that can fly in navesgane, its an accessable vehicle that cant be disassembled or reassembeldd. its health will determine its speed, when it reaches 0% health, the vheicle model will turn into the POI version of the planes you see in the junkyard before hand. Can mod it with only mods found within the zone, anything to do with the plane apart from fuel can only be obtainble via that particular zone. it will be found with a FULL tank, 3 seats to hold 3 passengers, one to be a gunner. This can get you all out of the zone in time for the irradiation timer end. after the zone resets after players exit, if the junkyard zone is regenerated , the warehouse with the plane will no longer have another plane, it will only have loot like the others, also only ONE plane can be in navesgane at once, this includes server aswell, only one plane per server, unless they add a clan feature.
    Zones will vary
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    Last edited by Ravnespromise96; 12-28-2017 at 05:43 AM.

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