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    Quote Originally Posted by Damselx1 View Post
    I think you've misunderstood my meaning. I have no problem with news being posted everywhere; I'm well aware that others use twitter and steam and a host of other social media and I think spreading the news far and wide is a good thing. I just disagreed with what skippy said about "expecting your audience to come to forums to get news in threads and threads of information just doesn't do it anymore" as I feel the forum is serving its purpose and suits those of us who don't have/want a twitter or steam account. That'a all.
    I agree with you too but as soon as the TTG-thing must have been expectable for TTG and IG they must have changed their way of spreading information and communicating.
    If they tought everyone about the situation earlier it maybe could have been prevented by asking the community for help.
    Digging a trench for hiding in it was not the solution I think.

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    According to most reports, staff only knew 30 mins before they had to leave the building. While purely speculative in TTGs case, in a lot of other companies is boards that make this kind of decision, not management.

    It's highly likely IGS and TFP didn't know until after the staff did with the rest of us.

    Also from various articles and reports it is clear that this is not something a community could have saved.

    TFP did exactly what anyone in this situation should have done. They made a statement when they had enough facts to do so. I can only imagine they were maybe waiting to see if TTG Publishing was going to be spared or not.

    Again, all speculative, we'll likely never know what clauses are in contracts or what legal hoops need to be jumped now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GermanPatriot View Post
    I agree with you too but as soon as the TTG-thing must have been expectable for TTG and IG they must have changed their way of spreading information and communicating.
    If they tought everyone about the situation earlier it maybe could have been prevented by asking the community for help.
    Digging a trench for hiding in it was not the solution I think.
    Again, my comment was about a specific thing - namely the notification that the console will definitely continue to be supported and Skippy's rather negative (and incorrect) response about where the news was posted. I wasn't commenting on how the news broke about TTG laying off staff and I'm not going to speculate about that situation.

    Clare has commented about the communication of the layoffs; I think she gives us a good explanation.

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    Well at least The Walking Dead final season will be finished. Gimple said he couldnt stand to lose Rick and Clem in the same season. So we will get to see the rest of Clems story after all

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    Quote Originally Posted by skippy0330 View Post
    You guys really need to reach out beyond your forums. This is silly. This could be tweeted, published to steam in seconds. I've posted more on twitter taking a dump then you guys do in 6 months.

    sorry to be critical, but expecting your audience to come to forums to get news in threads and threads of information just doesn't do it anymore.

    you guys have a game with a cult following, it's your responsibility now.
    Skippy, I love you, man, but please eat a Snickers. I understand that part of your livelihood relies on this game continuing but you're posting conjecture as fact and that's not good. You have a huge following. You taught me how to play the game. The whole community is on edge and you're one of its leaders. It's your responsibity now.

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    its nice to know that you and your team haven't forgotten about us console gamer's. we are really looking forward to all the epic update's.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Damselx1 View Post
    Again, my comment was about a specific thing - namely the notification that the console will definitely continue to be supported and Skippy's rather negative (and incorrect) response about where the news was posted. I wasn't commenting on how the news broke about TTG laying off staff and I'm not going to speculate about that situation.

    Clare has commented about the communication of the layoffs; I think she gives us a good explanation.
    It was not about Skippy or the TTG story. I have criticized the strategy of hesitating so many times in general. Sometimes there might be a point in waiting for facts and safe information but as soon as the whole company gets in financial trouble they have to communicate with their customers - especially when having different games in early access. The customers confidence is the only ship on the stormy sea.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GermanPatriot View Post
    ...I have criticized the strategy of hesitating so many times in general...
    You're 100% right, alas it's a common occurrence among normal persons.
    People have a *bad* habit to panic too easily (and early), no matter if on real life or on virtual world.

    The "behavioural specialist" exists as a job speciality, it's for a good reason.
    Please remember the former "Fear Uncertainty Doubt" 1970s campaign by IBM vs Control Data as a well-known example.

    Even game developers have to deal with panicked customers.
    As console players/users, the best we can do is to try to calm down panicked players while waiting for evidences.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GermanPatriot View Post
    It was not about Skippy or the TTG story. I have criticized the strategy of hesitating so many times in general. Sometimes there might be a point in waiting for facts and safe information but as soon as the whole company gets in financial trouble they have to communicate with their customers - especially when having different games in early access. The customers confidence is the only ship on the stormy sea.
    No - YOUR comment is about criticising the way the developers communicate. As I've already explained, MY comment was specifically about TFP news that console is still being supported and to address Skippy's comment on the use of the forum. I don't understand why you don't get that. I have explained this twice and won't do so again.

    Feel free to criticise the devs all you want but please don't use my comments about a different matter to keep furthering your argument; I want no part of that. I don't have a problem with the way they are communicating news; they'll tell us what they can, when they can and I'm fine with that.

    I hope you find the answers you are looking for, but our conversation ends here.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Damselx1 View Post
    No - YOUR comment is about criticising the way the developers communicate. As I've already explained, MY comment was specifically about TFP news that console is still being supported and to address Skippy's comment on the use of the forum. I don't understand why you don't get that. I have explained this twice and won't do so again.

    Feel free to criticise the devs all you want but please don't use my comments about a different matter to keep furthering your argument; I want no part of that. I don't have a problem with the way they are communicating news; they'll tell us what they can, when they can and I'm fine with that.

    I hope you find the answers you are looking for, but our conversation ends here.
    Obviously we are talking about completely different things. I could have posted my words on the steam forum or anywhere else and no meaning had ever changed at all. But as you say: This conversation is out of gas.

    Regarding the situation I can only hope TFP communicate with the customers if they need more ressources to hire more employees to get this neverending story to an end. Some of the guys here still do not get the point that all this additional content has been given to us freely. Remember that the game was a full release in summer 2016.

    Now that we all know that TFP will take care about the rest without knowing to do so one day, we should come together with the idea that they might need some donations to bring back balance into the project now that they have to deal with PS4/XB1 additionally. Many of the devs are not experienced in developing for consoles or porting contents to platforms with tight hardware limits.

    Some dudes might not like that idea but many of us got the game for a cheap price far away from the ordinary 60$ and spent more time playing it than with GTA, Battlefield or other games.

    Beyond this they have to manage the fact that the pc players don't want to wait any longer than 18 months for Alpha 17 and many among them already got pissed off due to waiting without an end.
    Developing for consoles along takes much ressources they don't have for finishing the game on PC and the more pc players decide not to support the leading platform the more instable the whole project becomes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by irjvik View Post
    You're 100% right, alas it's a common occurrence among normal persons.
    People have a *bad* habit to panic too easily (and early), no matter if on real life or on virtual world.

    The "behavioural specialist" exists as a job speciality, it's for a good reason.
    Please remember the former "Fear Uncertainty Doubt" 1970s campaign by IBM vs Control Data as a well-known example.

    Even game developers have to deal with panicked customers.
    As console players/users, the best we can do is to try to calm down panicked players while waiting for evidences.
    Yes, I agree with you. Keeping calm and providing support is the only way to keep the engine running. I am pretty sure TFP are not happy to care about three platforms now at the same time. Nevertheless they want to share the pc experience with us.

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    $60? When was this game ever $60? I really don't believe this game went above $40. I don't recall it being $40 but someone claimed they spent $40 on it and maybe I guess. I believe I payed $35 within the first few months it came out. Bought a few copies for some friends and myself. But I don't recall it ever once being $60. This is US dollars I'm talking about just incase.


    TFP did hire some people and have pushed the game along very well. I guess that isn't good enough and they need to hire more and that will not be good enough and they should hire more. I mean this isn't a big company they can't just hire and hire and hire or they will not make any money. So I think they are fine unless they wanna hire one more and that would be Clare

    Not sure why people are arguing.... ok maybe not arguing I guess disagreeing about the way they communicate. TFP communicates in multiple places not just one so not sure what the problem is. So they probably spend some extra time in the forums then other places, so what this is their website why wouldn't they be here.

    The way I see things is you can't please everyone. Even a very small group of people you not going to please them all. Sure it can be done but still very hard and that depends on what it is. So as the group gets bigger and bigger then it becomes impossible to please everyone without a doubt. Some people don't see that and it is all about "give me, give me, give me". Anyway I guess disagree with that I don't care. As far as I'm concerned when it comes to TFP they have not let me down yet but that is my opinion.

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    Quote Originally Posted by crazywildfire View Post
    $60? When was this game ever $60? I really don't believe this game went above $40. I don't recall it being $40 but someone claimed they spent $40 on it and maybe I guess. I believe I payed $35 within the first few months it came out. Bought a few copies for some friends and myself. But I don't recall it ever once being $60. This is US dollars I'm talking about just incase.


    TFP did hire some people and have pushed the game along very well. I guess that isn't good enough and they need to hire more and that will not be good enough and they should hire more. I mean this isn't a big company they can't just hire and hire and hire or they will not make any money. So I think they are fine unless they wanna hire one more and that would be Clare

    Not sure why people are arguing.... ok maybe not arguing I guess disagreeing about the way they communicate. TFP communicates in multiple places not just one so not sure what the problem is. So they probably spend some extra time in the forums then other places, so what this is their website why wouldn't they be here.

    The way I see things is you can't please everyone. Even a very small group of people you not going to please them all. Sure it can be done but still very hard and that depends on what it is. So as the group gets bigger and bigger then it becomes impossible to please everyone without a doubt. Some people don't see that and it is all about "give me, give me, give me". Anyway I guess disagree with that I don't care. As far as I'm concerned when it comes to TFP they have not let me down yet but that is my opinion.
    I meant that 7 DTD has never been as expensive as a full price game but many of us have never spent so much time with GTA for example like with 7 DTD. Nevertheless...the lower the price the less money they earn with it.

    Either they hire more employees now that they have to deal with all three platforms at once or all the players have to wait longer for updates in their platforms. Split ressources, thats all.

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    I don't see the panick now but I did a few weeks ago! End of the day the pimps own the game... TTG were just simply publishing it and doing a terrible job at that lol but it's sad they lost there job. But at least now this works out better for us gamers if The fun pimps employ a good and not slack publisher then this could be a triumph for future support/updates it can only be a good thing and also legally all the time there games are appearing on ps4/xbox and in circulation they have to support this game until this cycle of gen consoles are completely done it's legally there duty

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    Quote Originally Posted by D1986 View Post
    I don't see the panick now but I did a few weeks ago! End of the day the pimps own the game... TTG were just simply publishing it and doing a terrible job at that lol but it's sad they lost there job. But at least now this works out better for us gamers if The fun pimps employ a good and not slack publisher then this could be a triumph for future support/updates it can only be a good thing and also legally all the time there games are appearing on ps4/xbox and in circulation they have to support this game until this cycle of gen consoles are completely done it's legally there duty
    I'm not sure what you mean by "they have to support this game until this cycle of gen consoles are completely done it's legally there duty" since most Triple A titles don't have that sort of "legal" obligation. Or at least don't appear to. There are plenty of games that no longer receive updates for the games on console platforms. Unless they are releasing new content(GTA V), or actively supporting the game currently(Fortnite) they do not have to do so for the entirety of a game's life on consoles.

    So, like I said, I'm not sure what you mean by that, because no game company seems obligated to support or provide new content for a game for the duration of a platform's duration, especially games considered full releases. Games like Dragon Quest: Builders don't release updates anymore or content, and haven't since I bought it about a year ago.
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